Jaws

0:00 - All right, we're supposed to be doing a podcast. - We are doing a podcast. (dramatic music) - A what, a what? (dramatic music) - Pippet fan fiction? - I would really have to like-- - Pippet fan fiction? - Pippet fan fiction? - Pippet fan fiction? - Pippet fan fiction? - Pippet fan fiction? (laughing) (dramatic music) - We should maybe do this. - How? - Doo doo doo doo doo. (laughing)

0:30 (dramatic music) - Welcome back to Does It Hold Up? Podcast, dedicated to potentially ruining your childhood and all your fond memories that happened before mom and dad got divorced. It has been a year since we've done this and I hope we know what we're doing. - We don't. - I'm Brock. - I'm Amanda. - I'm Brad. - And this is the best podcast ever. (laughing) - According to three people on the internet. - I mean, we were shocked that we're still getting downloads

1:03 even though we haven't done any new material for over a year now, so. - People are looking for quality, not quantity. - Oh, Zelda it is. - Yes. - I mean, really, if you think about it, what's happened in the past year? - Nothing. - Absolutely. - I mean, that's fair. - But really what's happened is there's been no movies out because of-- - That's the problem. - Yeah, that's the problem. - 'Cause we're-- - So they want to hear us talk about movies. - I don't know. - We already came out a long time ago. - Yeah, but no more new ones have come out in our childhood. That's what happened. - Deriving it. - That makes absolutely no sense. (laughing)

1:34 - It's a driven material. - Thanks for explaining that. - But Brad had an awesome idea for us to have Spielberg September. And along that vein, we are gonna be doing Jaws, which we know holds up. - I was gonna say, so thank you everyone. - Bye, see you next week. - Bye, good bye. (laughing) - What's now is that we haven't done one a year, but we actually are all together today to actually do it, which we haven't been on due. - All hell science. - Oh yeah, well over a year. Yeah, spreading COVID among each other 'cause vaccines don't work.

2:05 We need to do masks. - We're just-- - Anybody who believes that is not in the head right now is a freaking idiot. - We're all just looking at each other. (laughing) - Wear your mask, don't ask this. (laughing) - Maybe get a vaccination, I don't know. - Or two, or three. (laughing) Weekly, I don't know. (laughing) - Well, and we also, we have a, as I said, burn studio, we have a special guest with us. Flowing in all the way from North Raleigh, we have Kelly, say hello Kelly. - Hello. - Flowing in via car, right?

2:36 - Yes, Flowing in via car, whole 30 minutes. It's D Kelly. (laughing) - D Kelly. - Not any Kelly. - The two E's? - D Kelly. - G-A-T-E. - No, is it that good? - 'Cause that's fancy. (laughing) - Maybe it is. I am from North Raleigh. - The third floor is called B-Doll. - B-Doll. - I am from North Raleigh. It's Pinky's up, you know? - Oh, sure. - You do remember that. (laughing) - That's fair. - Well, you're not from Kerry. - Yeah. - So, you're left to be in our presence. - We're from Clayton, that's Pinky's channel. (laughing) Anyway, so we're, we're doing that anyway.

3:11 That's great, anyway. - I want a local flavor. - We don't want to offend our 30 listeners in Clayton, so, yeah. - We're alienate the ones and, you know, the one guy in Iceland who doesn't know. - There's three in Iceland. - Sorry, three in Iceland. - And we have an Ireland and all the eyes. We've got, we've dotted all the eyes. - Ireland and what? - India. - India. - Iceland. - Did you say India or anything? - I did say India. - I missed it. - Pay attention. - How many of these were accidental cloaks? - I don't know. - I don't know. - It doesn't matter. - It doesn't matter. (laughing)

3:41 - One, it doesn't matter and also it doesn't identify them. - It all leads to profit, yes. We're making a ton of money with this podcast. - Are we? - Which is why we're doing it. All about the money. Wiles would be doing it, right? Everything's about the Benjamin's. - Wow '90s rap reference, yes. - I was so old. (laughing) - I just had a birthday, okay? - You were cool 25 years ago. - No, I wasn't. I was never cool. I was never cool. - Yeah, I knew that. - Check my yearbooks. Nobody ever wrote, "Hey, Amanda, stay cool." (laughing) - Yeah, my yearbooks were like, "Hey, I think I know who you are."

4:12 (laughing) - Oh, Brad, you're not even commenting. You were cool. - Yeah, no, I didn't even get the yearbooks. (laughing) - Did you really get the yearbook? - The most awkward time. - It was cool for yearbook. - The most awkward time was when they'd send you out on the football field in middle school. Do you remember that? - That was fun, I had those, but in high school, I think I only got my freshman year. I don't think I have any other, and I wasn't in any of the other three either because I missed Picture Day two years, and then my senior thing was I did the wrong format

4:45 so they wouldn't put my picture. - Oh, shut up. (laughing) - We're new to it. - Brad McCluskey does not exist. - No, I wasn't even there yet. - Four or four. (laughing) - Oh, it's a picture of a dog. - The whole purpose of yearbooks though, at our age now, so our kids can take them and make fun of it. - Oh, that was the purpose of our parents here. - Exactly. - I mean, my parents are cool. - No, my parents are cool. - No, they weren't. - Yeah, they weren't. - You think they weren't, because you were a kid looking at them. - Okay. - Go back and look at them now, they weren't. - My kids never got mine, we're cool at all. - Oh, no, my kids. - Like, look at your hair. - Exactly, it's a time capsule.

5:18 - Mine are all white. - What used to be cool. - Any cool shots of me, like people had like shots of them like at homecoming or like at the PEP rally and at the thing, mine were me running track where I look like I'm dying. - Well. - Well, you were running, so. - You were running. - That's anonymous, running now. - I've never seen somebody look happy when they're running. - They're happy when they're. - I'm gonna have you take pictures of me running with like a big ass grin on my face just to be like, new picture. (laughing) - All right, we're supposed to be doing a podcast. - We are doing a podcast. We're supposed to be talking about a movie. - Okay. - Movie that we have all seen, God,

5:48 how many times do you think you've seen this movie, brother? - I'd say at least 75 times. - Oh, yeah. - Yeah, I feel like I watch it probably multiple times a year on average. - I mean, we used to watch it every summer. - At the beach? - At the beach, at least once. - At least once, yeah. - At least once because we were always there for Shark Week. So it would be our at least once, if not twice. - And I've been, like mom would have been getting a house and I lived down there since I was 15. So you're talking 31 plus years. - Yeah. - I'll just date it myself, but. - Back when Shark Week was actually really about sharks.

6:20 - That's true. - But it's actually gone back now. - Yeah, they actually never seen a thing recently. - They were like, yeah, there was a recently, they were like, hey, we're going back to science. - Yeah, but that was all carry over from, I remember our uncle Barry took us to see Josh too. We were all little kids. We were up at the Jersey Shore one year. And. - Judges, Roy. - Best uncle ever. - Judges, really. I need little kids. I need an age. - It wasn't, oh, I mean. - I probably would have been eight, nine. - Oh my God. He took you to this video.

6:50 - I mean, we were little. It was a PG. There was no PG-13. - Also. - That's awesome. - What ended up happening was none of us went in the water. We're there for the week and none of us were in the water that year because. - That was a plan that Uncle Barry, I was like to say, Uncle Barry put that in it. And I was like, hey, if I take these people to see this movie, we don't have to babysit them in the water. - Well, you see, it was the Jersey Shore back then. So it was either jellyfish, dead crabs, or seaweed. One of those every year. - Or diapers or syringes or symebs. - No, no, no, they were. I'm talking about like when you went in the water. - Oh, I like that's true. - Either you're going to be stepping along

7:21 just a plethora of dead crabs. There's going to be jellyfish everywhere that can sting you. Or, what was the other one? - Seaweed. - Seaweed. - Seaweed, which would just feel gross and wrap around and do it as a kid. - Why are there dead crabs everywhere? - I don't know. - Red chides. - Red chides. - And it wasn't, it wasn't every year. It was just every year there was one of those things. - I remember when we were really young though, where in the beginning, this is before beer cans, which I remember they all had the pull tabs. - Pull tabs were there. - Step on those things. - Step on those things. - Jimmy Buffett's saying about it. - I was just going to say that. That's the only Jimmy Buffett's thing

7:52 that I've ever had. - I didn't blow up my flip-flop. No, I remember getting caught on there. - Sliced my foot open, yeah. - Jersey Shore, like it was very diapers, medical waste, cigarette butts. - I thought cigarette butts were just a natural part of the beach until I moved to North Carolina. - I know you told that. - Between my toes, it was not a big deal. - You told me that when we started going to go to the beach together. - Now I think about it and it's gross. It's extraordinarily gross. But we don't know any better. - I feel like New Jersey is going to sponsor you now. - And the transition, we all know that this,

8:22 this is a Jaws was based on a book by Peter Benchley, which he got the idea from the Jersey Shore. - Whale shark. - The shark attacks that-- - Let's say whale shark. - They're called whale sharks. - They're called whale sharks. - A bull shark. - Sorry, bull sharks. - That whale shark's just eat like-- - This is not a science podcast. - No, it's not. I meant bull sharks. - I didn't even need to be acting. - Bull whale. I mean, you know, they're large animals. - What year was that? I can't remember. - It was in the early 1900s. I don't remember exactly what happened. - I think you said 1908. - Something like that.

8:53 - Yeah. - The thing is with bull sharks is that they can do-- - Just like bull sharks. - They can do fresh water. They can do fresh water. So they were swimming up rivers and it was honestly terrifying. I watched a documentary on it once and it was quite scary. I can see how you would basically-- - There wouldn't be the same sort of, I mean-- - It was 1916. Just six years ago. - We were eight years later. - You were close. But yeah, I mean, there wouldn't be the same sort of like show you information. - The syrup was in the grips of the Great War. Americans were being eaten by sharks. - Is that a metaphor? - Remember they thought that maybe one of the reasons

9:24 why they were there is they were being driven over by the German U-boats? - No, I do not remember that. - That was, you know? - I mean, yeah. - That's a brad fattie, but that came from brad. - There you go. (laughing) - I mean, it was an insane thought, but that's part one of the scientists thought that-- - What about them being more over in Europe because of all the blood washing into the rivers from the western front? That would make sense. - This wasn't a science thing. - That's true. - This was a metaphor. - It's the Germans. - I hope it was a metaphor. - Lame the Germans for everything.

9:54 So yeah, it was based on a true event and the book came out in 1974. - Yep. - And they made the movie the following year and what do we read? It was the first summer blockbuster. - Yeah, that's a big turnaround. Like the book comes out and they're like, "Hey, we're gonna make a movie now." I mean, I don't-- - Yeah, that was really fast. I mean, that's fast now, but-- - I don't think-- - Harry Potter didn't come out that fast, yeah. - Was the book super popular that--

10:26 - That's a good question. I don't really know if the book-- I don't know if-- - I had to do it. - If Spielberg got an advanced copy of it or if Peter Benchley sold the rights even before he published it, I don't know. - There's a possibility of that. - Yeah. - We didn't do our research, listen to you. - I don't know how movies work. - I don't know how books work. - This is not a podcast about how movies work. This is a podcast about what I remember as a child. And honestly, I remember watching Jaws 2 more than Jaws. - With you and I-- - I do too. - And I was even saying-- - That's so weird. - We watched Jaws 2 a few weeks back

10:58 and I remember a lot of the scenes that are in Jaws 2, I thought were in Jaws, but they're in there. Like the iconic scene of the slalom are in Jaws. I know that we're supposed to be doing Jaws, but we're going to dive in a bunch. - That way. - Yeah, but the iconic scene, it's the water skier. And she's slalom back and then there's, there in the background and the fin comes to the doorstep and pops up in the foreground on the tracking shot, which I mean, I'm like, where's, when does this, I was like, oh no, wait, that's Jaws. - I have no idea what you're talking about. - Oh, it's like the iconic, I mean, I think a lot of people--

11:29 - I only know Jaws. - Like that is. - You don't, you never see Jaws. - I remember watching-- - The only thing that I remember from a different Jaws movie, I don't know if this is like two, three, four, five. So how many there were? - There's only been four. - Okay, sorry. - So far. - This is so cool. - Jaws 5 in space is coming out soon, I'm sure. - I remember catching the end of a Jaws movie on HBO, because back in the day, like they played the same movie over. - Familiar with HBO. - Was it a 3D, what do you call the home-- - Home, box office, human body owner.

12:00 - I don't know, but there was a scene where there was like a pole in the water and they're banging on it. - There's a cable. - Cable, that's Jaws 2. - Okay, that's Jaws 2. - It's really an electrocuted man. - Okay, so I'm-- - Smile you son of a-- No, that's just one. - No, that's the, that's this one. - Open wide, say off. - Open wide, say off, yeah, yeah. - That's the only thing that I know that I've seen that's not from-- - There's some really good scenes in the second one. Like the scene where he finds the board floating in the waves and he goes and flips it over. And the woman who was in the speedboat

12:30 who burned her body stuck to the board. And the body comes up. - That's a good scene. - It is a very well-informed scene because you keep thinking the shark's gonna come up 'cause he's walking into the water and he's having to go in pretty far. And he keeps seeing shots in the ocean and he keeps thinking it's gonna come up. He's gonna see it. He's gonna see it. And he finally gets the board and flips it over. And I remember talking to our parents about it being like, would that really happen? Like would a body stick if it is burned? - I guess. - It's a plastic involved. - Anyway. - That scene though is kind of funny. She looks like, if you go back and watch it,

13:03 she looks like she purposely dumps all that gasoline. - Oh yeah. (laughing) - It's a terrible, it's like-- - It's definitely the scene where one gets the tumbler out and spills the tumbler over there. - Yeah, exactly. There's gotta be a better way to blow a shark up. (laughing) - Well, we were talking about it the other night with the one scene that I thought was in Jaws, one is where he goes to the shark tower. - Oh yeah. - And starts freaking out the sheriff. - And I'm like, but that's actually Jaws 2. - Yeah, they have a shark tower 'cause, you know-- - We were watching the other night, I was like, when is the--

13:33 - Jaws 2 takes place again on Amity, it's a few years later. And so they have a shark tower now because-- - Like the same people, like Brody and the two kids. - Yeah, the kids are older, they're playing by different actors. - Are they the same shark comes back? - Not the same shark. - Oh, different shark. - Did you not watch this movie? - I thought there was one with like sharks revenge with a baby. - That's the fourth one. - Okay. - Yeah. - Neither does Michael Caine. - Okay. - No, he speaks about it. He speaks about it. He bought a house. - Yeah. - He's like, I've never seen it, but the house about it--

14:03 - I know that quote. - Yeah. - I'm sorry. - Apparently he said that about a couple of movies, like he said another one-- - And well, at some point you know you got to make bank, right? - I'm sorry. So I thought that that was one with like a shark baby or something. - That is an interesting bit of trivia. They filmed the original one. - Maybe, maybe. - No. - Doo doo doo doo doo doo. - We will end it like that. (laughing) - Yes. - And they actually filmed the second one in Texas 'cause Martha's Vineyard, the water was too cold. - Not Texas. - Wasn't it Texas? - Not as far. - Okay, well it was way further south. - Texas, Florida, they're kind of the same thing.

14:34 - So the beaches look completely different. Like it's a lot more sandy and there's a tower and that's part of the reason it was honestly not Amity anymore, it was a completely different location. - Yeah, it was done, done. - Act for your water in Florida. There's like two different spots. - So it's the same family, they moved somewhere different. - No, that's still supposed to see different filming locations. - Oh, I thought that in the movie day-- - It's still supposed to be Amity Island, no. - Oh, okay. - He's still Chief Brody, still it. He's the only one of the three main ones. Richard Dreyfus bowed out. They mentioned him at one point.

15:05 - Did I keep one? - Yeah, they mentioned that he's on the Aurora, the Inan article, and then the-- - And Quinn didn't come back either because-- - Quinn didn't come back. - Yeah, and there was no force ghost of Quinn coming around Hell and Brody. (laughing) - Use the electric cable. (laughing) - Go over your feelings. - See, I'm feeling robot chicken. - Oh, yeah. (laughing) - Well, I mean, I'm sure-- - We should dive in. - Everybody knows, I would think everybody knows--

15:35 - I mean, does everybody really-- I mean, I feel like everybody goes a lot about it. - Not everybody goes a lot about it. - Or they've been asking it for years. - Yes, like, we all mentioned it at the very beginning, like, we knew it held up because we've watched it many times since the first time we've seen it. And now, like, there's-- - There's also-- - You've said it five times. I mean, you probably say that they're about the same. - Yeah, yeah. - I feel like I've seen it probably-- - I feel like I can quote most of it. - 30 times, aren't special guests. How many times have you seen it? - I probably have only seen it,

16:07 maybe less than a dozen. - Okay, let's do more than-- - And that's where I said-- - But that's still more than-- - I feel like it's about jobs too, more. - Yeah. - And I don't know why-- Well, I know why because-- - I feel like Jobs too did, like, an HBO runner. - That's what I'm saying. I said, I told you, I know it's in the 80s. - Yeah. - Whereas-- - It was 77. - Was it? - I think so. - But it had to have gotten-- Wait, Jobs too? - Yeah, 70s. - Was it just a couple years? Okay. - It was just a couple years later. - I don't, I just feel like I saw Jobs too. - Yeah, okay.

16:37 - And I'm not sure why. But I probably saw it, like, maybe-- I've probably watched it 10 times. - Yeah. - So enough that I know it. - Right. - So, yeah. - I don't know, maybe Jobs too appealed more to kids because of all the kids in it. Like, the main focus is the group of kids that get stranded. - Well, I feel like what she said is, how many times HBO? Because that's where I would have watched it as a kid with on HBO. - 'Cause that's the strip. - So-- - Yeah. - Is that why you saw legend so much? - Chance got stranded. - 'Cause of HBO. - Oh, like, I'm not following. Probably.

17:07 - Okay. I feel like, even as a kid though, I like Jobs too better. - Than Jobs. - Yeah, I thought Jobs was boring when they get on the boat. - Yeah, really? - And yeah, I know. And that's why I remember thinking-- - Thank you, thank you. - As a kid is boring. - Now, it's like, it is the best part. It's the best part of the movie, whatever. - One of the things that makes Jobs-- - It does take a while to get to it. - Yeah. - One of the things that Kelly and I were talking about that makes Jobs such a great movie is that you don't see the shark at first. Like, there's just that haunting music, that iconic music that-- - Oh, yeah, the music makes it.

17:38 - And if you have never seen Jobs-- - Jaws with disco wouldn't award. (laughing) It wouldn't have been the same. - If you have never seen Jaws and somebody, like, you're at a bar talking about something and somebody starts going, ♪ Juh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh ♪ You know what that is. - I remember trying to play it on the piano. - Yeah! (laughing) - These are really cheesy-- - Like, even three keys, duh, duh, duh. - Like, even if you don't know the movie, you know what that's from. You know that that's the shark theme, you know. - Gary Larson did a far side comment.

18:08 Like, really? Yeah, there was two fishermen in a boat and there was like this huge shark underneath him and one guy was like, do you hear that haunting music or there was that haunting music? - And everyone knows when he was-- - The shark likes singing in the microphone or something. - Yeah, yeah. (laughing) I mean, yeah, you're right. Everyone knows that even if you've never seen the movie. - And I'm pretty sure the whole idea of not showing the shark was one, just like-- - The shark was so old. - It was a cinematic device, don't show, but also, yeah, they had so much trouble getting the shark to look realistic and to work.

18:41 - And to work. It was more functionality. - It was more like, all right, we'll just show it at the end. - And that would all be CGI and probably terrible. - Yeah, terrible. But-- - Well, I think in reality, you're not gonna see a shark anyway, until it does attack. That's the same. - Yeah, that practicality actually fed into the fact that the mechanics didn't work and so it all worked. Like, all those things had to work together in a huge handhold. Like, this is gonna make the best cinematic presentation of a shark. - Absolutely. - Like, if he's there all the time, you're gonna be like, oh, look, that's a shark again.

19:13 - Yep. - And you're looking at that part? - Yeah, I was like, I can't find it. - It is, so, but yeah, it's-- - Oh, the one I'm thinking of is a whale. - I was thinking of the whale. Like, I know it was the whale. - Sing Frank Sinatra. - Sing Frank Sinatra. - Yeah, it's that one. It's that one right there. - Yeah, it's too, and like, there goes again at eerie music. (laughing) - And it looks like the, it looks like the, it looks like the post, the iconic Jaws poster. - For those of you playing along at home,

19:43 Brian is struggling to turn his laptop around to show us all the picture. (laughing) - I don't know if I've ever seen that one. - I don't think I've ever seen that either. - Is that-- - Wow. That's cool. - That is cool. - Yeah, I've never seen that one. - Nice play there. See, that's why we have guests. - Yeah. (laughing) - That's our podcast. - Let's go and fly 'em in. - 'Cause I'm part of their like, group on Facebook. So, there's like a whole Gary Larson bar set. I know we're gonna have-- - Just so funny. Like, no, I'm a part of a childhood hubs group. (laughing)

20:14 - We're definitely dating ourselves. (laughing) - I'm sorry, I'm 22. (laughing) It's okay, it's okay. - Plus some bets. - So, the other thing about this movie, though, is I always thought, and our cousin used to say this to us, is that we spoke of Uncle Barry. Their kids used to, they always thought that we're always trying to look like our dad. - Yeah, they did. - Roy shot, yeah? - Yeah, they did shit. - You know, I see that. - You're right. - So there's that, yeah. - Yeah, so there's this other, like, other little straw,

20:45 like our string that connects us to this movie. - Yeah, true, I just forgot about that. - Oh my God, you know what? And I don't know that I've received your dad with like his 70s or 80s glasses. Did he have Roy Shider glasses? - Oh yeah, he did. He looked, my dad looks the same for last 40 years. - Yeah, but he used to-- - That's a lot more obvious. - Yeah, he used to have big glasses. - Did he? Did he have Roy Shider glasses? - Yeah. (laughing) - I love that. - Yeah. - Yeah, he, you have a hair. - And then my dad, you know, he liked the boats and, but although Roy Shider didn't, I know that in the character,

21:15 Chief Brody doesn't. - But you need a bigger boat. - But there's definitely-- - It's only the boat. - The boat, the boat. - And he got it from the water. - Yeah. - But yeah, you know what? He does, he-- - One of the best quotes in the day. - Yeah, you know what? - That and you want a pretzel? (laughing) Sorry, move, bro. - Bro, bro. - I like the ways like, are you rich? Me or the family, you know? - Parry, 'cause Parry wants his clothes in here. - No, you're not on the podcast, sorry. We only have one special guest today. - Oh.

21:46 - You're not special. (laughing) - You're just a guest. (laughing) - Brad would be throwing this stick out in the ocean. Go get it, Parry. Go get it. - Hey, Piff it. Go get this. - Go get this. (laughing) - That was the saddest part of the movie for me. - It was, the poor dog. - The dog getting killed was the saddest part. - Not the kid. - Nope. - Even being a mom now. Like I get it as a child, I'd be like, ah, that's a shame, you know? Whatever. But now as a parent. - Parry. - Seeing Alex Kintner get devoured. - Alex. - Alex.

22:16 - Alex. - Alex. - Alex. - It's Alex. - It's Alex. - You're right. - Alex Kintner getting devoured in a sea of blood. - All right. - Is like, yeah, the dog. - Aside from Kint, that's probably the most violent death in the, 'cause the blood squirts up and he's like flailing in the water. - Flailing and then you see him under the water and he's screaming. Like, I mean, you've known me for 30 years. Like, I always have trouble with animal death. - But you don't even see anything. It's only implied. - Which might-- - I mean, yeah, we just ran it from a fan page

22:47 that maybe-- - He might've got caught in an undertow. - Or maybe he just swam away from his owner in his tire. - Maybe he was abused. Maybe Pippet got away. - Oh my God. Wow. Okay, so I have never approached it from that angle. I mean, if Pippet actually escaped a horrific existence, now you're just changing my whole life's existence. - He did. He moved to a farm upstate in New York. - Okay, that never worked. I can't, Brad, I'm sorry. For everybody playing along at home, you couldn't see my face changing.

23:18 Oh my God. - Is there any Pippet fan fiction? So I would really have to like-- - Picking into that frog. - It's the biggest, oh my God, Brad. (laughing) - You're not allowed to talk to me with her. - He sat down there with Spongebob with Spongebob. - Oh my God, all right. So yeah, then yes, following Pippet, then Alex Chitler is the second worst death. I'm sorry, I had a kid. - How many deaths are there? - There's the girl in the beginning, obviously. - Yeah.

23:48 - Traumatic. - Then there's-- - Chrissy. - Chrissy. - Chrissy. - And there's the guy in the row boat. - Hey boys, where you going over there? - He's out in Alex, yeah. - And Pippet. - Then there's the guys that go out in the boat and when-- - They get back. - No, no, no, no, no, no, no. - No, I'm saying what Hooper-- - Oh Ben-- - Yeah, Ben's daughter. - Ben's daughter. - Ben's the face. - Yeah, okay. There's him. - Which I just realized, he's that Ben Garner is the guy who's talking, he's like-- - He's babbling in the boat when you're going-- - Yeah. - You're, well, it's like, well, he says something.

24:19 Your father's met your mother's, and yeah. - Yeah, he says, yeah. - That was never terribly clear. - Right. - It's like, there's this guy who's kind of funny. He's a fisherman. And he helps Hooper out of the boat. - Yeah. - You're a little fellow or whatever, then he's babbling. Then they find his head, basically, for his body. - And the truth. - And then they mention his Ben Garner's boat. But yeah, I never made the connection. - I didn't until just now-- - To me, it's not terribly clear. - Literally, just now doing research right before we start. So he was a local actual fisherman in--

24:49 - The Martha's Vineian. - In Martha's Vineian who then helped Quint with some stories so that Quint could go off cuff and also helped him with his accent. So yeah, he was a local, a true local fisherman there. - Okay. - Yeah. - And it was him and Quint, those are all the deaths, right? There's like six? - Yeah, we just done it. - You count the dog? - I count as a dog. - We're counting the dog, but that's it. There's always, we're counting the dog. - Yeah, I mean, it's not a huge body count, which I feel like almost makes it more realistic. Because again, like the actual attacks,

25:21 there were only five or six deaths, maybe? How many people died in the 19th-- - Oh, I thought it was. - Was it more than that? - I thought it was more than that. - Oh, I'm gonna look at it. - It's interesting that they chose to use a great white for the book and the movie versus an actual bull shark. - Yeah. - Well, it wasn't a dramatic retelling. The great white is a bigger, scarier show. - Yeah, and also it's, yeah, Peter eventually just said it was the four people were killed in Jersey, yeah.

25:51 One was in-- - It was in 19. - Between July 1st and July 12th, 1916 in which four people were killed in one injured. - Okay. - Happened during a polio epidemic. - Wait, what? - It's only the head of vaccine. - Sorry. - Oh my God. - Polio plannedemic. My fault, I used the wrong word. - Oh, I forgot what I was gonna say. No, he's, those attacks inspired him to write the book. So the book is not like, it's not supposed to be, obviously it's not a retelling, oh yeah. - I wonder why he chose the great white.

26:22 - I think he's 'cause it was the biggest-- - I think he said like it's a bigger show. - I think it's just a bigger show. - Well okay, look at her, you're looking. - They think it could have been a bull shark, but it could have been multiple sharks. It could have been a great white attack in the ocean, but when it got the bull shark, it didn't have like, human stamps on the side, like no fight or fight. - Yeah, not that I know-- - Damn, it's gills. - And obviously the ones that went up the river were almost certainly bull sharks, but it could have been four different sharks. They really, they just don't. And you know, being the typical human reaction is, let's just go kill every shark we find,

26:52 because eventually we'll find the right one, right? Was that a tiger shirt or what? - A what? - A what? - He didn't say it right, a what? - So close. (laughing) - I love the older one. - I think that is one of the best, like that is-- - We say that, oh my god. - There are so many iconic lines in this movie. And even ones that are just funny to me. Like, it's, you know, things that we quote all the time. I can't think of any of that stuff that I had, but I'm sure as we talk about it, the whole, it's only an island if you look at it from the water. - There are times where the kids and I'll be doing something

27:24 and one of us will just start homing and then we go, show me the way to go. - I was unloading the pod the other day and I had the Spanish ladies song in my head. - That's right, we just-- - Farewell and to do to your fair Spanish ladies. I'm unloading this pod in 100 degree weather and it's looping in my head. I don't even know all the words. And I'm here, I am. - Farewell and to you ladies are spraying. - For we've received orders, gonna sail back to Boston, and so nevermore shall we see you again. - Again. - Over and over. - That's pretty awesome. - It's kind of Spice Girl kick lately, so.

27:55 - Spice Girl. (laughing) - That needs to say in the podcast. (laughing) - Which, who's your favorite? - Huh? - Who's your favorite? - You know, when I was a younger man, I always thought posh was, but I think Ginger's the best. (laughing) - I mean, Ginger's are the best. - Yeah. - I agree. - Murphy, I asked you for me to one. - Please. (laughing) - I'm sorry, I hadn't. - That's what I'm saying. - I'm like, you would've been thinking like Spice Girls or Dolly Parton. - You wouldn't hear me sound like an audiovisual nerd. We can remove it and pose.

28:26 (laughing) - I mean. - Says the guy who doesn't edit it. (laughing) - It'll be gone, Brattle's gonna get out. - It's a suggestion. - Aw, don't take that out. That's gonna be our lead-in. Brattle's been listening to Spice Girls. - Brattle's you by the Spice Girls. - We always have some good lead-ins. Brattle always picks some really good stuff. - So, shall we start reading the terrible, I'm sure the terrible. - Oh, the Wikipedia article. - I'm sure that we're all gonna tear apart because we've got a million different things. - But don't read the whole, you can skip things. - I'll just read it. - I do have one, when we get to that part,

28:57 I have to make the comment. - Okay, that's the whole point of the podcast. - Yeah, I know, I know. I know I'm just thinking. - And I do have a Brad fact or two. They're not, okay, there's no, let's just put it out there. There's no rape or child sacrifice in this movie. - And unless you want to consider Alex Kintner a child sacrifice, because they didn't close the damn beaches. - Which I was just about to say. - I would say that class applies. - Okay, so there's also shadow boobies. - Right, so I will say that my Brad fact does follow under child sacrifice.

29:28 - Okay, fair enough. - And there are side boobies in the very beginning. - I think if you turn the brightness up far enough, you might as well-- - I've got a picture right here where you can kind of see 'em, so. - Nope. - Okay, I mean, that's about as good as it can. - But you know, the facial expression really, yeah. - Yeah, because she was in actual pain. - Yeah, 'cause they had her tied to it. - Is that true? 'Cause I didn't hear that was a myth. - No, I don't know. - The cables pulling her back and forth. - They had cables. - It was the rig, it was the rig. - Well, what I read, it was, I didn't read that it hurt,

30:01 I just read that she was, like they just would, all of a sudden start, and so that they'd pull her on her and pull her back, let her go back up and pull her side-by-side, so she didn't know what was going on. - Yeah, she wasn't prepared for either direction or the amount of like, under what. - And off on the beach, a young George W. Bush was looking on saying, you know, use that one, baby. Right, waterboarding? - Wow. - Maybe? - I don't know. - I thought it was more, it more would have fit into them being Ted Kennedy, right? No, I guess Chapa Quiddick already happened. - Yeah.

30:31 - Yeah, he already drowned that woman. - Yeah, pretty much. - I'm gonna drink some wine now. - Allegedly. Allegedly. - I was thinking, that's like a great way to torture somebody, you know, just drag them back and forth. - She wasn't prepared and the rig hurt. Like, I guess that's the table, but like the-- - I could see, yeah, I guess. - I wondered how they did that scene. - I was, yeah, it's-- - So whatever-- - I can't think of any more, we're terrifying than swimming out and grabbing ahold of a buoy. - Without a shark. - Without a shark. - Yeah, exactly. - We're doing your fucking buoy. - Yeah, with the slime and the barnacles and-- - Yeah.

31:01 - Yeah. - I'm not swimming out that foot. No, just no, you don't know why I'm at the ocean. - All right, so I guess we're starting to-- - Yes, go. - So it starts-- - Okay. (clears throat) - In the beach town of Amity Island, a young woman, Chrissy Watkins, goes skinny dipping in the ocean. Shatter boobies. - Well, treading water, she is unknowingly attacked by an unseen force. The next day, her partial remains are found on shore. - All right. - Yes, well, I'm just gonna say, yeah, but I mean, the guy passes out and like that scene, we're talking about last night,

31:32 we're the other night, we're watching how she runs, she's running at like full speed and undressed-- - And removing her clothes. - How the fuck do you do that without dying? - Do you remember that? - Yes. - Yes. - She's obviously not drunk. - Yeah, she's sober, he's not. - But that scene where she's the silhouette of her and she puts her legs straight up in the water and then, like, it's almost like a shark fin and then-- - Yes. - That is-- - It's such a great, like, I don't know. - It's so good. - I don't know how they-- - Yeah. - Stephen Spielberg rejected the special effects for the arm when she's found later.

32:03 - Yeah, it's somebody's hand. - They actually buried one of the people, one of the crew and had her arm just up there so that's why it looks like a real arm. - Like buried her under the sand? - Yes. - Completely for hours? - No. - Oh, yes, for hours of hours-- - But what they did was-- - We killed somebody, they gave it a shot. - Yes. - It gave me a real arm, damn it, yeah. (laughing) - The prosthetic or, like, he's not a prosthetic. The special effects arm, he was like, no. - Yeah. - And so they actually buried a crew member. - So later on, when they show--

32:34 - Fred that. - Booper lifting the arm out, that was better somehow? Well, obviously it's fake. - It is, but it was, I think there was just more-- - There's just something about, like-- - Like the arm, it's like just seeing the arm out, lay on the sand, see how the spill work was like, no. - Okay, that's just not a boating accident. (laughing) - I always found it, like, I never noticed it as much as a kid, but later on when there's, like, all the crabs. - It's heavy. - Yeah, and that's a real arm. - Okay, okay, that's cool. - Yeah, so that's not quite child sacrifice.

33:07 - And I'm just saying, already, in reading this boy, they are skipping over some stuff. Many of the examiners' conclusion that the death was due to a shark attack leads police chief Martin Brody to close the beaches. Mayor Larry Vaughn persuades him to reverse his decision, fearing that the town's summer economy will be ruined. - Can I just say he had the best seat ever? - Yes. - You, the hangers. - That was hideous. - That was hideous. - Even I could see that was ridiculous. - Yeah, but he really, he wears it two days, like, I mean, the whole-- - The whole-- - With the best seat. - The movie takes place, whatever, like four or five days.

33:38 - It's even that long? - Yeah, it's right before July 4th, and maybe like-- - That is like, I don't know how long. - I don't know how long it's been a weekend. Maybe half of the boat for a while, or I'll talk about how long they're out there. - I think he's got it as well. It's not even just like just, that is a quintessential New England suit. - Quint to some show. (laughing) - Nice. (laughing) - I'll put in some. (laughing) - Please do. (laughing) Okay, so the coroner tentatively concurs

34:08 that the mayor's theory that Chrissy was killed in a boating accident. Brody reluctantly accepts their conclusion until the shark kills a young boy, Alex Kintner, in full view of a crowded beach. A bounty is placed on the shark, causing an amateur shark hunting frenzy, and local professional shark fisherman, Quint, offers to catch and kill it for 10,000 dollars. - That was way ahead, hold on. - I know, meanwhile, consulting oceanographer, Matt Hooper, examines Chrissy's remains, and confirms her death was caused by a shark, an unusually large one. The bite radius of.

34:39 - So there's five, four and a half paragraphs in this lot summary, and that's the first one. So we're like 45 minutes in the movie already? - Well, I mean, we're just using it as a reference. - Yeah, right. - I do, like this scene where they're asking, like, what are all the water activities, and it's the boy scouts are doing their swim, right? - The swim badge. - And they take the ferry. This is where the mayor comes out and tells them they have a medical examiner, he's like, perhaps a boat, you're gonna stick to that? - Yeah, perhaps a boat, a propeller. - Yes, yes, and they're talking about of,

35:12 that's where the whole theme of, this is a summer town, we need summer dollars, you can't close the beaches, you don't have the authority. I don't know who the other guy is. There's another guy. - He's some assistant, or he's probably part of the rotary, like that kind of famous. - I don't know, it's a stupid title. - Yeah, anyway, so, but that's a weird to me, like that scene they go out on the ferry, and they're gonna go pick these kids up on the ferry, like what was the point there? - It's, I don't know what the ferry connects, 'cause you ever watched it, like, they like do a 180 on the ferry.

35:46 - And come right back out, right, yeah, he's like, take us back. - I think it's supposed to be like a plastic, we're gonna watch over these kids, and that worked, but okay, are these fine? - Yeah, why take a ferry? - Well, I think 'cause, well, we know by next movie, the Brody has no idea how to drive a boat. - And he also doesn't know much about it. - And he's in New York City. - And his wife does make a comment, this one that he stays in the car on the ferry, so maybe he took the ferry 'cause he was terrified, you know what I mean. - And it's that whole thing where the mayor's like, we're just gonna throw some token, like, concern at this.

36:18 Okay, look, we got the ferry up. All right, everything's fine. All right, turn around, go back. - Yeah. - Yeah, I don't know, I just, that scene always-- - Brad, you mentioned earlier before we started recording that this movie is sort of an allegory for-- - We'll get to that. - Wait, feel like we should do the plot. - Wait, but this is like a whole allegory, so it's like, it's that token, we'll do this, and then it'll be fine. - Right, yeah, there's definitely some-- - I think that's, I think you hit out, I think that's exactly what that is. - Yeah, this movie does, it's a much, since COVID,

36:48 it is a different watch than it was. I never, yeah, I mean, it might as well, you're already open to the can of worms. So might as well, yeah, it's a total allegory for what we've been going through in the United States for this pandemic about-- - But you were asking about, like, why would they do that? - Yeah, that's why. - Yeah, I mean, I remember watching as a kid, and even as a young adult, I was like, why would this is insane? Why wouldn't they just kill the shark and get over and be done with it? And now I've seen-- - Or just keep the beach's clothes, because maybe people shouldn't be thrown into the situation

37:20 where they could potentially die, when there's an easy solution. - But the whole thing was, like, you know, you said, you know, 100 swimmers out, and only two are gonna die. Are you gonna risk that your kids, one of those two? No. - This doesn't feel like your kids are-- - But you would definitely, yes. (laughs) I mean, like, anyway, all right, brought, keep reading. We're gonna come back to that. - Well, we're already at the point where they're hiring Quinn, all right, or no, no, no, but they have the-- - So Hooper's shown up, and-- - Oh, and they just-- - He's, you know, it's not a boating accident. This isn't Jack the Ripper, it was a shark. Really good one.

37:51 - It is. - So when local fishermen catch a tiger shark-- - Oh, what? - There we go, thank you. The mayor proclaims that the beach is safe. Mrs. Kintner, Alex's mother, confronts Brody and blames him for her son's death. Hooper expresses doubts that the tiger shark is responsible for the attacks, and his suspicions are confirmed when, after an examination, no human remains are found inside its stone. - That scene with Mrs. Kintner is-- - That's rough. - That's rough, and can I save it at-- - She hasn't slapped him. - When I watched that, as it's like, when I was younger

38:22 and watched that, I was as angry, like, okay, not as a, but I was like, she's right. - That line got to me more than anything. - And I felt terrible. - When the mayor's like, sorry bro, or sorry, it was, sorry Chief, she's wrong. - Sorry, Chief, she's like, no, she's not. - She's, that's how you know Chief Brody's-- - But how much did she slap the wrong person? It should have been the mayor. - Yeah, but she didn't know. - No, she didn't know. - She didn't know. - And I remember watching that and thinking, like, God, she's right, and I feel terrible for Chief Brody because Chief Brody was like, we need to do this.

38:55 And she should have hit the mayor. But she didn't know. - No, I disagree. - And what she knew was that Chief Brody was the one that was supposed to close. - I don't think she thought that. I think she-- - You don't think so? - No, I think she slapped him because he was literally on the beach that day with them and didn't think anything of it. And I think that's why she goes after him. It's not because she thinks he's the authority to close the beaches or not. I think it's 'cause she knows that he was out there and he already knew what had happened. - So when she says, like, you knew there was a shark in these waters and let people go swimming in.

39:26 Literally, he was sitting on the beach right there. - Yeah, but the mayor was there too. - The mayor wasn't there, then. - Yes, he was. He was like, he was like, you know. - No, that's late. That's just going to be a lot next layer. He's not there that day. There's the other guy-- - That's the wife. - Yeah, there's the other guy who talks, there's Harry, he comes over. He's like, that's some bad hat Harry. The guy with the man moves. And then there's the other guy who's like, they're these cats parked in the cars and all I need is a simple zoning thing. And he's like, just get the hell away. Yeah, he-- - It's just Chief Brody. - Yeah, that's right. - That's right, that's right.

39:56 - Oh, shit, you're right. She didn't have the right part of her. - Yeah, I think that's why she went out. I mean, I think she's like, you were sitting right there and let that happen. - But that wasn't a hard watch. Even as a kid, you were just like-- - That is a good scene. She does really well. But how fucking old is she? Like, she had a kid who's like 11 or whatever who dies. - She looks like she's in her 40s. - And then, who's the guy-- - Is that her husband? 'Cause he looks like he's like 70. - I don't know. - I always thought it was her grandson. Like when I was little, I thought that was her grandson. - I mean, there are people that have children late in life. - Right, sure.

40:27 - And maybe we shouldn't judge. - Yeah, and sometimes you look at my pictures of people and you're like, how old is she? Oh, damn, she 30. - I will say, I do love that this is a beach movie and it is not just like a bunch of-- - A bunch of bikini collards, right? - Yeah, it is, it's real people at the beach. - Yeah, but that's like, yeah, we've been there last night. - You look at pictures of people and you're like, oh god. She must be asked, you're like, oh, she's actually like-- - She's probably not ripped and you know, not everybody who's getting killed or injured is, you know. - The moms are out there with their son hats

40:58 and they're putting sunscreen on their kids. - Yeah, they're right. - The kids are scrawny little kids. - Yeah, pictures of people on the beach for real people. - Yeah, that is a-- - You were talking about how, like, she is, like she's, you think about 1976. I mean, she's, she probably isn't dyeing her hair. - Right, yeah. - She's like them in the class, but she's got her hat on because she's like, I'm not gonna get all bark out here. - She's in mourning too, at that same time.

41:28 - So-- - I will say it's funny if you watch, there's that all the, like, the B roll of, like, the people getting off, like, when the fourth of July hits, that's all the people and all the people on the beach, it's like real people. That B roll is Steven Spielberg, like, if you just look at that and then look at Jaws 2, which was done by Hans, I can't remember what I was saying, but you can, you can tell he, like, the movie deviates right there. You can see, like, oh, okay, Steven Spielberg is really just trying to give you a sense of how the town really is

42:01 and in Jaws 2, there's a lot of shots of asses walking in a bikinis. - Really? - Yeah. - Yeah, it's something, like, when you watch-- - I won't say a lot, there's a couple, more than, like, it's, two words noticeable, is there any of that in Jaws? - No, there's not, that's what I'm saying, yeah. - It's like, true family at the beach, yeah. - The mom puts sunscreen on their kids. It's, do you have your swim flippers or whatever the heck? - Right. - Like, yeah, it's, they were, like, little kids digging in the sand and it was just very much, like, real families doing, real family things.

42:32 - Yeah. - That's exactly what it was. - So, yeah, that's, I don't think she looks too old to have, I mean, like I said, if she's not dye your hair, I mean-- - Yeah, maybe you're right. - Okay, Kayla, the 27, and right after I had her, I, part of my hair, on the very top of my head, would just start white. - Just like a poltergeist. - Oh, yeah. - Episode two, three. - I don't know what you're talking about. - Take a look. - Whatever. - Take a listen. - Like, three, two is legend. - Ugh, terrible fun.

43:03 - Anyway, but like-- - But a great podcast about it. - Should I get back to the plot since we're giving it up? - Yeah, I'm sorry, we're, yeah. - So, we're just, we'll-- - The very skimpy plot. - So, Hooper and Brody find a half sunken vessel while searching the night waters in Hooper's boat. Underwater, Hooper removes a sizable great white shark's tooth from the boat's hull, but drops it in fright after discovering the partial corpse of local fishermen, Ben Gardner. Vaughn dismisses Brody and Hooper's assertions that a huge great white shark is responsible for the debts and refuses to close the beaches,

43:34 allowing only increased safety precautions. On the 4th of July weekend, tourists pack the beaches, following a juvenile prank with a fake shark. The real shark enters a nearby lagoon, killing a boater and causing Brody's oldest son, Michael, to go into shot. Brody then convinces a guilt-ridden Vaughn to hire a point. - Holy shit, we just, like, that's half the movie. - Half the way through the movie, yeah. - That is great. - So... - All right. - I agree with this particular, you're gonna ignore this particular problem until it swims up and bites you in the ass.

44:05 - That is a great scene. - Yeah, the billboard scene. - The billboard's 'cause it's one shot and, like, it's a real... - I want these little assholes cut. - Hang on, I'll get a bunch of browns. - I just like a bunch of browns, yeah. (laughing) - This is vandalism. (laughing) - Yeah, that whole scene. - He is great. The mayor, who's the actor? It's, uh, I don't know. - While you're looking that up, I just want to say that the interactions between Quint, Hooper, and Brody are amazing. - The cast is great. Part of the reason that the movie is so good is the cast.

44:37 - The actor who plays Quint and the actor who plays who hated each other. - Robert Sean, Richard Dreyfus. - Thank you. - Do you mean each other? - Yeah, they did all each other. - They hated each other, which led to how, like, the friction between their characters, why it was so believable. - Murray Hamilton is the actor who plays the mayor. - So, yeah, um, Richard Dreyfus, yeah, they, Robert Shara, they hated each other. Like, they didn't get along, uh, in, like, pre-production, like, none of it. Like, they were, like, any time they were together, it was just, like, oil and water.

45:07 - It's been true. - You know, when they were actually acting. Brad fact, sorry, but Brad knew that. So, yeah, any time they were on screen together, that friction that's, like, a natural thing, that's why it's natural. - Oh, there you go. All right, so, Quint Brody and Hooper, what, sorry. - Yeah, we got, like, four scenes there we were talking about. - Oh, I was just thinking we could get through the plot and we could go back and talk about the good parts. But go ahead. - Well, now it's, okay, so we talked about, I mean, we haven't talked about the, I mean, the first time you see the shark

45:37 is when it swims up and bites the guy who's in the rowboat. Took him out and tips Sean and, oh, it's Michael and his buddies. But that, like, there's that whole part. I mean, the fake, the kids were, the kids, like, he made me the fake, you know, they're about to kill. But, I mean-- - Shoot 'em in the face with the rifle. - Right, I know, there's, like, 10 guys there with guns. I mean, that's '70s America, if it was this, they would have been dead. - They'd already bought them, right? - Yeah. - Yeah. - They already bought them, right, yeah. - Yeah, shoot 'em in the game, yeah. - They're the classic explosives. - It's just, like, there's so many good parts of, like,

46:08 we miss the part where, back when, Chief Brody's looking through the book, flipping through the book, and it's reflecting in his glasses, and he's looking at all the shark attacks, and his wife's there, and she's like, she's like, I think, where's, they got him a boat for, for his birthday, and he's sitting out there on the boat, and he's like, I don't want him to need him out of the water, and then she looks down at the book. - She's like, oh, yeah, get out of there. - Yeah, there's a picture of the shark. - She's coming up through the boat in the game. She's like, get out of the water. You heard your father, you're out of the water.

46:39 - Oh, yeah, there's a lot of great things. I mean, when Hooper first comes over. - Yeah, we miss the whole-- - And the, the, the dad, and the kid. - Yeah, are they missing each other? - Yeah, yeah. - I mean, it's just that, and then, yeah, the whole thing where he pours the huge thing. - Yeah, you're gonna want that, let that brief, and he pours it on-- - How's the story in this thing? - He's drinking something else, so he just pours it right into his glass, yeah. - Well, this one tells me you're in sharks. - Yeah. - There's just, there's a great-- - The whole thing where Hooper's like, they're all gonna die. There's just, like, this whole movie, like, everything in it holds up.

47:09 - Oh, the characters are great. Hooper, I love Hooper. - The lighting, yeah. The writing was awesome. - Hooper's so funny. - Like, there's just, the, the weak spots are only things like, in 1976, they didn't, like, the, the shark. - Sharks were a boogie man, of sorts. They didn't understand sharks. - What Kelly and I were talking about was, like, it's so regrettable that, that this movie had, like, made so many people afraid of sharks. - Yeah, because their mind was killing machines. - Right, all they did, all they did was eat and swim

47:41 and make little sharks. - Can you think of another movie? Like, from our child that had the kind of impact where, like, it kept, like, it kept, it, like, it seriously impacts how I go into the ocean. - Right. - I mean, I don't think, I can't think of any other movie, it's like, you know, I mean, I've never been to a summer camp, but I don't think that's because of Jason. - Yeah, I don't think of, like, you're talking about, like, - You've never been a counselor and decided to fool around with a, a lady counselor? - Never, yeah. - And I never worried about getting killed? - Because of Jason. - Yeah, 'cause, yeah. - Hey, who are I gonna talk about? - Yeah, yeah.

48:12 I, yeah, purposely did not try to hook up with girls when I was teenage because I didn't want to kill. - Right, right, right. - I had plans to go to summer camp and to be a counselor, and then I saw probably the 13th and I changed my mind. Yeah, I never happened. - I'm trying to think of any other-- - I had an issue with waterbeds after watching Night Run Elm Street, but, I mean, I had a waterbed, so. - What happened in the waterbed? - Johnny Depp got, like, liquid, like, turned into liquid. - That's the only, that's the only thing I could correlate to be the waterbeds. - That's totally what you want. - I don't, I don't remember.

48:42 - The first Night Run Elm Street is amazing, and we should totally do that for October, now that you're like, what? - Oh no, it's on the, it's on the list, I think, but I didn't know-- - Oh, as a-- - I had a waterbed, as a unit. Okay, but all right, he does notice. - I guess he gets pulled into the waterbed. - What, no, I don't remember this. - Okay, well, I had a waterbed. - No, I did, I guess I was, I was a little scared of my bunk bed. I had bunk beds when I was younger. - Friday 13th. - Friday 13th because, what's his name, uh--

49:13 - Yeah, hold on. - Who is it, is it Kevin Bacon? Gets killed, stabbed from underneath the-- - Like, underneath? - Yeah, yeah. - So getting away from the '80s slasher movies and back into the '70s horror thriller genre, whatever Jaws is, what would you guys consider Jaws? 'Cause I feel like it's a horror movie. - I feel like whenever we would go to like the video stores, it was always in the horror section. From what I remember, it wasn't done sure, was it? - What's it rated? Is it R? - It's PG.

49:44 - Is it? - Okay, in the '70s, it was always like-- - Tomorrow you had to like drop F-bombs or have serious-- - There's no real-- - I mean, I mean, there's-- - Bitch, but they really don't even say it at the end. I mean, it's kind of, I really think it's PG. - Do they say any other curse hearts in the movie? - Ass. - It'll bite you in the ass. - It'll bite you in the ass. - It'll bite you in the ass. - Even though it's a shit, or do they? - Come down here and chump some of this shit. - Oh, yes, I'll kill that one out. How could I forget that? You heard him slow ahead.

50:18 - I'd be willing to get it to PG. 'Cause I mean, there was just not a lot of room for-- I mean, that's why they made PG-13, whereas there was that serious gray area. - I mean, let's be at like-- - It was a PG of a-- - It was a base master, PG. - I believe so, yeah. - And there was way more going on in that movie. - Right. - And it wasn't until, I think it's another Spielberg. It's Temple Doom is-- - Little first PG. - I think that's the PG-13 one, yeah. - That movie. - I think that guy's hard out, don't you?

50:48 - God, I'm hot. - Oh, she would just shut up. All right, anyway, we're not gonna do that movie. - Okay, so back to Joss. - Back to Joss. - Quint Brody and Hooper set out on Quint's boat, Yorka, to hunt the shark. While Brody lays down a chum line, Quint waits for an opportunity to hook the shark. Without warning, it appears behind the boat, which again, that's such a great scene when it just appears behind the boat. - Just say it interferes behind the boat. - 'Cause there's, I mean, what is there? 10 or 15 minutes of nothing when they're out on the boat? - Yeah. - And nothing. - He's playing solitaire and he's trying to teach him

51:18 how to do the rope. He's like, this goes out of the hole and he's into the hole. - Is it rabbit? - Yeah. - Maybe it is a fish. - A rat, maybe a rabbit, yeah. - But yeah, like you get settled in, you're just like, all right, like, what is this, why is this so boring? And then all of a sudden you're like, wait, I'm sharp. - You're gonna need a bigger boat. I mean, hello. - Yes. - Like one of the best slides in my movie, yeah. Was a part of the script. - Quint estimating the length at 25 feet and weighing at three tons. - Three tons on them. - Our puns it with a line attached to a flotation barrel,

51:49 the shark pulls the barrel underwater and disappears. At nightfall, Quint and Hooper drunkenly exchange stories about various stories. - We're yelling Muffins. - Mary Ellen Muffins. - Mary Ellen Muffins, she broke my heart. And Quint reveals that you survived the attack on the USS Indianapolis. - Oh my God. - Yeah, that, that scene is amazing. Yeah, really is. And I actually did not know about the Indianapolis. - I did. - We couldn't though, we were three of them. - But even I actually found out recently that a lot of people in the States

52:19 didn't know about the Indianapolis until the end of the 50s were sick. It was, it's not a story. It was the end of World War II. Things were good. They did not want to relate the story that like in the last days of the war, you know, what 700 Americans. - Oh my God. - The ship that carried the bomb. - Yeah. - Either drown or you know, or to deliver the bomb. - To deliver the bomb. - The Hiroshima bomb. - Yeah, we delivered. Like the very end of him, we laid like all this for everything. But then he got to go, but we delivered the bomb. - He gives a date.

52:50 I can't, it's like. - Was it 1600 men went in and 300 men came out. - And he's like, "I'll never put on a life jacket." - And that whole thing where the boat starts to go down and he won't put it on. - He looks at it and he's like, "Don't." Nope. - He pulls, that's a, he throws them one to Brody and one to Hooper, yeah. - But as a kid, like you said, when that story, I remember watching as a kid, none of that made sense to me. Like, okay, he's just telling a story. It really was not until we listened to a podcast. So like, I'd heard of it at that point, but it did not know the scope until within the last year,

53:22 where I actually had a podcast out. - Yeah, it was, it's, it's, it's. - And just finished listening. - Yeah, we were talking about it. - Last podcast. - It was really good. - Yeah. - But I remember hearing about it and I remember our dad telling us about it. 'Cause he knew the story. - Yeah, I'd never heard this. Well, also I remember. - But not all the details. - No, but I also remember one time watching it with his dad pop up and him saying, "Oh yeah, that's," and I was like, 'cause you know, he was a Marine out in that. And I was like, "Wait, what this is?" That like, it's really weird. - I remember being in a house with him mentioning that. He was like, "Yeah, that's something there."

53:53 - Yeah, that's about the extent of what the World War II vets would say about something like that. - Yeah. - Yep. - Yep, that happened. - Yep, that was something there. - Yeah. - Yeah. - That I've listened to. - I took makes this, there's so many, the characters are like true people. Like, that's what makes this movie. - The movie. - There's so much about this that when you watch it, you know, at our age, we watched it when we were very young. And then we probably watched it again when we were teenagers. And then we probably watched it a little bit, like, we've covered that earlier.

54:25 Like, we've all cycled through this, but like, as we're getting older, we're like, "Holy!" - You know, like, Quinn is clearly suffering from PTSD. - Wait. - I mean, like, yes. - And he wants, he is on a death mission. - Yeah. - And I feel like he feels, he has, what's it called, survivor remorse. - Yes. - And he is gonna get killed by a trooper. - Yeah, and he's not putting that on, he's not putting that life jacket on again. - Yeah, that's why, but that's also why he goes out. He's like, "I'm gonna go out there." - Chills fish. - If this fish doesn't kill, if I don't kill it, it's gonna kill me. - It's a message in some way. - Yeah. - For what happened.

54:55 - Well, it's also, like I said, it's survivor guilt. - Yeah. - He thinks he should have been, like, why was he of the 1600 men that went in the water? Why was he going in the 300? - He talks about his writing. - Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Like, you, as we, it's very cliche, but as we get older, like, as you watch this, you're just like, "My God." Like, this isn't just a movie about a man killing a shark. - I mean, they all have some, like, - That's why, like, this holds up so well for so many reasons.

55:26 - Well, like, Chief Brody obviously has some PTSD of his own from being a cop in New York City, right? And the reason-- - Oh, my God. - And the reason that he moved to the island, I mean, he goes on, when he's drunk on the boat with Hooper, he's like, you know, in this town, there's never been a murderer or shooting, like-- - He's like, "I wanted to escape all of that." - Right, yeah, so-- - I don't give a shit that I'm terrified of water. - Yeah. - This place is safe-- - Let's just do this. - And I, yeah, I can just be a cop and make, and one man can make, I can make a difference there where he didn't feel like he was doing it.

55:56 - I mean, Hooper is-- - That's why this movie is probably the best movie of all time. - I would, I would actually kind of, like, I would half agree and half, because, like, there's so many other movies in my head, but I'm like, this is definitely top 10 for me. - It's a very good movie. - Yeah. - Do you guys ever notice all the shooting stars in the background? - Yes. - They're fake. - Of course they're fake. - I didn't want them to be fake. - But I mean, I just-- - What did he talk to? - There's two, there's two. - I didn't want them to be fake. - There's at least two, there might be more. - There might be, but there's, so there's the one with the boat in the, like, shoots across, but then there's the one-- - One behind Brody. - Yeah, he, when he's trying to, yeah, try to load his gun and--

56:31 - This is something that nobody ever pointed out to me. I just remember seeing-- - My tiny little brain from when I watched this, when I was younger, I wanted all of it to be real. (all laughing) - I mean, Amanda. - Amanda, Amanda, that's a movie. - Sure. - I don't know if it was real. The shark was fake. - What? Brad, stop it, you're killing my version. - That's of the plot. - It was a train shark, yeah. - The shark returns unexpectedly, ramming the boat's hole and disabling the power. The men work through the night, repairing the engine. In the morning, Brody attempts to call the Coast Guard, but Quint, who has become obsessed with killing the shark

57:03 without outside assistance, smashes the radio. - He's having a psychotic brain. - I was like, you were coming back to Brad's PTSD. - That's absurd. - This is not upset. - After a long chase, Quint harpoons the shark with another barrel. The line is tied to the stern cleats where the shark drags the boat backwards, swamping the deck and flooding the engine compartment. - I do, okay. - One more sentence. - All right. - Two more sentences. Quint prepares to sever the line to prevent the transom from being pulled out of the cleats left, pulled out, but the cleats break off, keeping the barrels attached to the shark.

57:33 Quint heads towards Shorts, draw the shark into shallow waters, but he overtaxes the damage engine, and it blows up. - All right. There is one mistake in this movie. They fuck up the barrel count. - The barrel count does seem to change a few times. It goes from like two to three, doesn't it? - Well, so, I thought I'd figured that out. - They go, they go out with five, right? - Right. - They put one in them in the very beginning. - Yep. - And then they hook it and they're bringing it back. And then he's, like, they get that one off of them again,

58:05 'cause that's when, there's a shot of when Hooper puts him, he's putting the barrel back up there, and he's like, "Oh, boys, he's back for his new time feeding." He's putting, and he has the barrel in his hand, so they got one of the barrels back, and then they end up having three on them, but there's only-- - One left on them. - Yeah, the count is messed up in some way. - Okay, I always tried to struggle to figure that out, and I thought I had figured it out as-- - I thought so, too, but at one point, he has three on--

58:36 - I thought that's pulling hair. - I thought that's pulling hair. - I was not just setting it up. - He sure that Hooper wasn't just setting up another barrel, like, getting one ready to be pulled out. - I thought they pulled, no, there's a scene where he's pulling it out. That's when Brody, he's like, "I gotta go make a phone call," and Hooper is standing there with the barrel, I believe, and pulling it out, although it's out of the water. - Okay. - So it does, I know, the movie's right now. Nevermind, it's not the best movie ever, fuck this. We're done. - There are movies where you're like, he's been shooting for 20 minutes and hasn't reloaded. - Yeah, I know, but I thought last night watch,

59:07 or the other night when I was watching, I thought, "Oh, no, wait, there is the extra barrel," but then the count is messed up again, 'cause the barrels on the bow of the boat are not the same. So I'm like, yeah, I don't know. I don't wanna, it's still a great movie, you should watch it. - What movie were we watching within the last few months where we realized in watching it that they do the noise with the guns constantly? - Oh, crap. - And I've never noticed it before, and now that I've noticed it, - Oh, no! - It's ruined the movie, - I can't put me on the spot

59:37 like this, there's people, like, where are we? - Anyway, I don't know how to come back to that, but yeah, I get it. It's like, sometimes something just clicks with you, and it could be the barrels and jaws. - Yeah, you do. - But whatever the other movie was, we realized that, like, through the whole damn movie, they're doing the, you know, the reload thing that you still have to do all the time. - You know what movie doesn't fuck with that? - What? - The one with Samuel L. Jackson and your favorite scene with Kingsman. - Oh, I was like, what the hell are you talking about, okay?

1:00:08 - Kingsman, when he's in the church, they actually, if you stop and do frame by frame, - Yeah, he reloads every single time. - He reloads every single time he leads to it. - I mean, what's better than a huge shoot out of the church? - With free bird. - With free bird, right? - Yeah. - So. - Are there any doves? Is it a John Woo or a Nax skin out? - So, all right, so we're at the last paragraph of this, as usual whacking Wikipedia. - One hour three of us, right? - So here we go. Here's the end. - All right. - In case anybody hasn't seen it. - The shark wins. - Yeah, the shark wins.

1:00:38 (laughing) As the orc has slowly sinks, the trio attempts a riskier approach. Hooper enters the water in a shark-proof cage, intending to lethally inject the shark with Strick 9. Using a hypodermic spear, the shark attacks the cage, causing Hooper to drop the spear, which sinks and is lost. While the shark thrashes and the tangle remains of the cage, Hooper manages to escape to the seabed. Shark breaks free and leaps onto the boat, devouring Quint in the process. Trapped on the sinking vessel, Brody shoves a pressurized scuba tank into the shark's mouth and climbs onto the crow's nest.

1:01:10 Using Quint's rifle, he shoots the tank, which explodes and obliterates the shark. Hooper surfaces, and he and Brody paddle back to Emedy Island clinging to the remaining barrels. - So you guys are familiar in movie terms, like the term McGuffin. - It sounds familiar, but-- - McGuffin is basically, it's a plot device that is going to be used later on in a movie that is going to somehow help-- - You screw around with these tanks, you're gonna blow up. - Right, so obviously the tanks are the McGuffin in that, like they are, but the way they do it is so subtle.

1:01:42 Like, yeah, like, I don't know, at least to me it's still-- - The thrusters proved it couldn't be done. - It couldn't be? - The tank wouldn't blow up that one. - It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter. - It doesn't matter, but-- - It's still a movie, yeah, all right, fine, whatever. I mean, the fact that the shark eats everything else, and how does Brody know that tank is still on his mouth? That hit from 100 yards away, he sees it swimming in the murky water. - Then he comes in, he throws it in, but why-- - That's the way, that's when he throws it in--

1:02:13 - Yeah, why wouldn't he think it's still hanging out on the side of his mouth? - Right, yeah, that's a good point. - Because why he talks at it out? - They talk about how they swim along and just eat trash earlier. - Yeah, but he doesn't sleep. - He never really could see it out. - Yeah, but he plans on shooting. - That's probably just his vision. - Maybe, yeah. - I can't see it-- - He's sure. - Anyway. - I can't see it, I'm not-- - I'm not close, but I know. - Yeah, but I'm out saying, like, that's-- - I didn't realize it was struck in the eye. - I didn't either, it may not be, that's just what it says.

1:02:43 - I thought it's like a head. - Exactly, in my hands, that's what I thought it was. - He said something like, if 20 cc's of this, we'll find it, I can kill it. - You know what, I think he doesn't do it again, he probably says, "Strick nine," but he says-- - I don't know, they do show him, they show the vial in him extracting it with the needle, 'cause remember the one point, it's like, "You're gonna get this tiny little needle for you." - He was like, "Yeah." - You know, I can't do that, but I was like, "But you also have a harpoon, you can do what you're in it." 'Cause he then takes the syringe and dumps it into the harpoon, but that part underwater is pretty good too, but it is a little mighty python-ish.

1:03:14 It's like, he sees the shark, it's like the, it's from-- - Oh, the night from Holy Grail. - Holy Grail, it's like, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, just like, and then look at it, it's done, do, do, do, do, and then also the shark hits him in the back. - Yeah, like, whoa. - But I think, I don't know, when did Holy Grail come out? Was that before this or before? - It has to have that. - Yeah, actually, God, that's a good question, it's close. I don't think they stole it from Holy Grail. - I don't think they were going for a Holy Grail shark homage. - Yeah, the jaws was trying to, like, we're trying to channel that.

1:03:44 - Oh, so nice. - Yeah, I don't think they would try to channel a Holy Grail though. - So yeah, I mean, I would say that jaws is a really, really good movie. It's not perfect by any means, I mean, the special effects are good, but, you know, you can tell, like, the shark's jaw isn't quite right, and the way it jumps up on the boat at the end is a little-- - Well, at the, my whole issue, at the very end, was that they turn this shark, which, it's a shark. At the end of the day, he was just doing what sharks do. Yeah, and they--

1:04:14 - Sharks got a shark. - Right, but they kind of turned it into, like, you know, he's going after them on the boat, but again, if they hadn't done that, it wouldn't have been a great movie. - Yeah, no, but okay. - But I did just listen to another podcast about a whaling vessel where the whale attacked the boat, so maybe the shark-- - We used the inspiration for movie day. - Right, so I mean, maybe-- - But it doesn't be proven that whales are way smarter than sharks. - Sure, it's a mammal versus the, yes. Yeah, versus the fish, but-- - Yeah, I mean-- - But, but still, but you, I mean, it's not,

1:04:46 it's the whole Jersey Shore one. They were like, they basically kind of, some scientists think, well, it's just a fucked up shark. That's why I was doing what I was doing. - Right, right. - Like, so, I mean-- - Most sharks would not do this, however, you know. - However, most humans don't kill 30 people, but there are cereal kind of. - Yeah. - Yeah, but to have one shark that just kind of-- - Is there a real killer shark? - Yes. - Sorry. - I do, like another flaw I just noticed the other night watching this is when they are after they tell the great story and they do the scar thing and all that, and they, it's when the shark starts hitting the boat,

1:05:17 like, how many fucking times they're raving in that boat? Like, it's like-- - I even wondered, how did it, how did it hit it? Did it hit it with-- - Why, yeah. - Yeah. - Slapping it with a tail. - Slapping it with a tail. - Did it hit it with, because the tail is the most powerful part and did it do the right thing. - Yeah. - I mean, there's a lot, but-- - No. - But then again, I do, there's a great quote from Steven Spielberg, director of this. Not talking about this, but talking about movies in general. And he's like, if people are answering these, or asking these kinds of questions while they're watching the movie, then we didn't do our job, right? - Yeah. - And he's, I mean, I've watched, like I said,

1:05:49 I've watched this movie at least 75 times. So, I mean, I am nitpicking on some stuff, but-- - But it's kind of awesome that we've watched it this many times. - No, I will watch it, yeah. - Wait a minute. What about this? - Yeah. - Like the other night, there's a new thing, like with the barrels, I just didn't put together, there is a scene of Hooper bringing the one barrel back onto the boat, and then he is putting it back, he's up on top of the bow, just about to put it back in, when he's like, oh boys, he's back for his new time. - What about the scene where the barrel flies past Hooper

1:06:21 nearly hits him? Is that that same barrel? - That's when, no, that's when Quinn puts the third one on, they have the two that are tied to the cleats. - Yeah. - And then that's the third one coming at, because the sharks, that's another one. The sharks running, but it wouldn't be able to run, like it wouldn't, anyway, I'm not gonna get too much into rope length, and-- (laughs) - So one of my biggest issues, it is not really an issue, but it's like, you question it, was the Fourth of July scene. Remember, I mentioned this last night, where it was literally what, a day or two before,

1:06:54 Alex, that little boy gets eaten, and the locals that were on the beach, see this little boy get eaten by the shark. And then, a day or two later, these same locals are on the beach. - Well, nobody-- - And they are encouraged them to go to the beach, and they are in-- - Have you met the American population? - Well, this could segue into the whole allegory that we were talking about where we were just at. But-- - Can I throw my Brad fact in, and then we can go and dissect the United States? My Brad fact is that--

1:07:25 - That's somebody outside. - Sorry, my dog is barking at somebody outside upstairs. - Like, four decades after the film was released. - How many? - A couple of decades. There's nothing specific. - I assume couples too, 20? Okay, 20 years, let's go. - The woman Lee Fierro, the play Mrs. Kittner, she walked into a seafood restaurant, and noticed that the menu had a sandwich called the Alex Kittner sandwich. The actress that played, yeah, okay,

1:07:55 so I just wanted to show you. - Oh, wow. She was like, that's, wow. Okay, I played his mother in a movie, and-- - She was in a local, like, a theater troupe up there, yeah. - The owner of the restaurant actually ran out to meet her, and was like, oh my God, like, you're like, this is Alex Kittner, I don't know what her actual name was. And he was like, my name is Jeffrey Voorhees,

1:08:26 and I played your son in the movie. He owned the restaurant that created the Alex Kittner sandwich that she had bought into my brad fact. - Her name is Lee Fierro, and yeah, Jeffrey Voorhees. - Voorhees, like, Jason Voorhees. - Jason Voorhees. - Jason Voorhees, brother. - Right, so that's my brad fact. It's not child's sacrifice, but there's some-- - A little homage to the child's hair. - But there's also some-- - What was the sandwich, is it, right? It's called the Alex Kittner sandwich.

1:08:56 - I know, but what was it? What kind of sandwich? - I didn't, I will find that. - Was it shark, I gotta hope it was shark. Who was like a shark? - It's not shark, it can't be shark. - Oh, it was a little kid. (laughing) - That would be wrong. - Was it boobies? Because if we're gonna follow her brad facts. (laughing) So anyway-- - I think she died of COVID back, Leah. - Oh, really? - Yeah, like last year, I believe. - Oh, yeah, so anyway, that was my, I couldn't do that. - April, April 5th. - That was the best I could do for boobies,

1:09:27 child sacrifice for-- - Who's 91? - Oh, well, hopefully she passed away from-- - That's interesting, so in the novel, in the novel, Quint dies, Hooper dies. But the way the shark dies is it just, it's like it's harpooned and everything, and it quints kind of tangled up in all the lines, and they're both synced together like Moby Dick. Remember, Captain is a Captain, Ahab. He's like tied to the whale at the end.

1:09:57 So it's a different death, and Hooper doesn't survive. - How does Hooper die, does he? - I think he gets killed by the cage. - Yeah, that's why it was called the Wharf Cub. - Yeah, kills Hooper after he attacks the cage. - Sorry. - No, so yeah, she did die, the actress to die of COVID in April and last year. - Oh, no, another fact I had was, oh, so there's a scene, speaking of Moby Dick,

1:10:27 there's a scene when you first meet Quint, where he's apparently in a movie theater, and Moby Dick is playing, and he gets up and has some sort of tirade, and that was cut from the film because they could not get the rights to Moby Dick, who was owned by, who plays Captain, Ahab, and it's a-- - Gregory Peck. - Yeah, he owned the rights if he would not release it to the movie, so, yeah. - I hate it with that. Or I mean, part of it's like-- - I don't know, I don't know if I want to see Quint,

1:10:58 like having some sort of, Robert De Niro and Cape Fear, like bullshit, like, yeah, yeah, I don't want to see that before. - I can see how this would work in the book, but why they didn't do this in the movie, 'cause obviously the movie shark blowing up is a lot more satisfying, but apparently in the book, it's swimming towards Brody, and Quint's like dead, and Hooper's dead, and he closes his eyes, just waiting to die, just as the shark gets to him, it just succumbs to its wounds, and like rolls over at six. - Ah! - Just, and it swims back to shore alone,

1:11:29 which is almost creepier in some ways, but I can see why they wouldn't do that. - Yeah, well, 'cause you're like, is he gonna get eaten? Yeah, you'd have to, I don't know. Yeah, that's, we missed the part where they have the meeting, where they're talking about the beach is gonna be closed, and then there's like, for only 24 hours, and then the one lady can hear the better, 24 hours is like three weeks! (laughing) - I always liked the picture on the chalkboard, of the shark mouth. - The shark with the mouth, and then he wins. - Yeah, and then Quint does the,

1:12:00 oh, he does the nails on the chalkboard. - And he's got his little like, - Tony? - Yeah, who's this little fishing buddy with him? - Who's this Tony? - What the hell is he eating? - I don't know, look at it. They look delicious. - I know, I don't know what it is. - I know, I know, I always, I was like, - That's the best. - Yeah, I want some of those, I don't know. Whatever he was eating, it was, he was like-- - I can't find the content, so the sandwich. - Nah, but anyway, so I guess-- - Could be anything we want that, let's make it up. - All right. - I think it's a, I think it's a-- - It's a great movie. - The sandwich. - It's not a perfect movie. - Oh, I thought you were talking about a movie. - I thought we were trying to--

1:12:30 - It's not a perfect-- - I was talking about a sandwich. - Thank you. - Well, I was just gonna wrap it up as far as the movie goes. - Okay. - There's no such thing as a perfect movie. This is a really good movie. If you've never seen it, go watch it. - Yeah, we knew it. We knew all that when we started this, but for our Spielberg September, this is a good start-up. - And also for us to get back into this after a year. - Yeah, it was good to get back into this. - It's great, but if you haven't seen Jaws, please see it. - Yeah. - I mean, if you've never seen it, remember, you know, it was made in 1975. It's not gonna hold up to your CGI standards.

1:13:03 - Actually, it will, because it's better. - Actually, it will. - I think nautical effects held up-- - You ever seen Deep Blue Sea? - Yeah, I think-- - Ooh, shots fired. - Yeah, with CGI sharks, it's fair. - I didn't say CGI sharks are better. I'm just saying that it's obvious in some ways that this is more mechanical. - I think magical effects. - I would say there is no other shark movie that ever holds a candle, because they did it for that. - I agree. - Nobody's, they've been trying since this was, so-- - Yeah. - For 40 years. - Yeah. - 45 years now.

1:13:34 They've been trying to get this lightning in a bottle again. - Yeah. - Yeah. - It's not, it's just not happening. - See it, see it, if you're, like, I'm not a horror fan. My entire family is, I still love this movie. - Yeah. - It's an adventure movie. - A lot of really good lines. - Yeah, it's very quotable. (laughs) - Definitely watch it when you're at the beach for like a long, two week vacation. - If you don't wanna go to the ocean and your kids do. - The first night, yeah, put it on. You got young kids, make sure you put it on for them to see and tell them this is what could happen,

1:14:05 especially you're up in the, you know, New England area around Cape Cod and all that. This is the perfect movie for up there. - It's just, it's just a great movie. Thank you to our special guest. - Well, thank you for having me. - Well, let's, are we gonna, we're gonna vote, does it hold, like? - Oh, I feel like we've always started to hold that. - I don't know. - But, like, yeah. - I can say for official, yeah, just for our. - Okay, official. - We're saying, but two seconds in that it did. You know, like an hour and a half later or whatever. - Yeah, official. - Well, I mean, but I know, but we've done moves before where I said right away, it doesn't hold up, and then we still talk about it, and then we--

1:14:36 - I just agreed. - Yeah, just like legend. So we agree four out of three, it holds up. Four out of three. - Yeah. - You get an extra vote. - Wait a minute, that's one of those weird fractions that you have to do like a one, and nevermind. - Yeah, carry the two. - Compound, compound. - Thank you. Something I've forgotten on purpose 'cause, yeah. 'Cause I never used it after math class. - We're hopefully gonna do a couple more. See you soon.