Halloween (1978)

0:00 (bell ringing) - I said, do you punch in a wagel? (laughing) - Like Chuck Woolery, that fucker. (laughing) - I don't know, Brad, does it like anything? He's a cynical ginger. (laughing) - No, that is awesome.

0:31 - Clean, or everything you wanted to know about-- - No, I didn't. - Didn't know you wanted to know about sconks, but we're afraid to ask. - Oh, what? - What? - Take a check. Too much rape, just ruined the movie. (laughing) - Whoa, it's true. (laughing) - Shit. - So this is, does it hold up?

1:07 The podcast dedicated to potentially ruining your childhood and all of your fond memories that happened before death arrived in your little town sheriff. (laughing) Was that okay? Was that, I thought it was kind of fun. I'm Brock. I have Amanda. - And I'm Brad. And we have a guest tonight. - She's back. - She's back. - Brock's new friend, Kelly. - Super friends. - Super friend. - And if you didn't catch that extraordinarily obscure

1:42 reference in the opening that they're, today we're doing the original Halloween from 1978. - You should have referenced the stone 'cause they got met. - Oh, certainly, yeah, yeah. Halloween, or could a skunk really do that to a dog? Yeah, we'll get into that. Yeah, I don't know where to start. - I don't know. - I had never seen this movie. - You would never seen it. - The only way I had seen it was when we watched

2:14 Dead Meat on YouTube with you and where he does all the horror movies, that's the only way I'd have seen it. - So basically a 20 minutes synopsis of the movie. - It's probably better than what we watched. (laughing) - So, Amanda, you've never seen this. - No. - Have you seen any of them? - No. I was a Freddy Krueger girl. My friend Debbie and I would write obscure-ish movies, but I never watched any of the Friday the 13ths or any of the hallowaves, or I don't know.

2:45 - Obviously you knew of Michael Myers, right? - Yeah, I knew he was a guy with a white mask and I think a knife. - And it turns out he didn't have a knife. - He didn't have a knife. - He did, I know. - Okay, I thought you said he did. - When I thought Brad asked me, like, what did I know? I think he had a knife, but then it turned out I was right. He does. And I thought Jason had a chainsaw, but I was wrong. - That seems to be a very common misconception, which is weird because he only ever gets attacked by a chainsaw. - I see. - Yeah, I don't think he has any kills with a chainsaw. - I don't think he does either. It's a machete. - Machete is his weapon of choice, yeah.

3:16 - Yeah, sorry. - No, it's okay. - So yeah, I've never-- - Machete that was used to chop off his mom's head. I think it's what happened, too. - Oh, is it? - It's just the love. Yeah, and oh, which one is it? It's the drive for the machete that brings him back to life when he's in space in Jason X. - Oh my God, are we going back to these? - Oh, I can't wait can we do that one? (laughing) - I know, we went off on a tangent on the Friday, well, I guess by now the Friday 13th episode's out,

3:47 so by the time you listen to this, but yeah, we did go off on a lot of tangents. I knew a lot more about that franchise than I do about this one, so. - Yeah, so I'm getting the feeling that Brad and Kelly did not like this. - We'll hold our reservations. (laughing) - Observations? - Observations, for the entire month. Yeah, but I don't know, Brock, we watch seats growing up, so I mean-- - Oh, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, I remember, we had talked about this

4:18 on Friday the 13th, I remember not watching the first Friday the 13th that much 'cause there was no Jason, but I really remember watching Halloween because the first two movies are essentially one big movie, because the first movie ends where Michael Myers, obviously we'll get into it, but it's after the initial round of attacks and Jamie Lee Curtis's character who has survived goes to the hospital because of what happened, and it picks right up from there. So, it's really like, what? - I'm a big fat liar, I did see the third one,

4:50 the stupid one with the mask on the side. - That doesn't count. - Season of the Witch? - That one, yeah. - No, the one where it's like-- - Yeah. - Great more days, you'll have over a week. - Yeah, so over shamrock. - Over shamrock, yeah, okay, so I saw parts of that one. - That's what I was gonna get into, was that I remember the first one and the second one because they're essentially one big movie, and then I remember being at the video store and seeing the third one, and being like, "Oh, there's a third Halloween, cool." And taking it home, I think, back before the internet, when you couldn't necessarily look up the plot and putting it in and being, "What the hell is this?"

5:21 And obviously, that one freaked me out as a kid. - Really? - Bugs eat children. - Yeah, that one is-- - You can just-- - I want some child's eyes on it. - It's just, it just gave me the heebie-jeevie. - It's taken some of the boxes. - Imagine if a temple of doom short-round got eaten in the room with all the bugs. - Yeah. - That's Halloween three. - Okay. - That is a little-- - Yeah. The hero doesn't quite make it on time. He hits two of his targets and misses the third

5:52 and all the children die. - Yeah, essentially millions of children around the world die on a Halloween night. - Fantastic. - Yep. - No, that sounds a little better. - Because of the evil Irish company that's making that-- - Yeah, it was like full floor and-- - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - It was, I mean, it was-- - It was like an IRA failure. - It was an interesting premise, but they slapped the Halloween name on it, I think just to make it recognizable. - Money guy. - But it truly had zero to do with the original haul. There was no Mike Myers, nothing.

6:22 - Well, I mean, you can understand, sorry, go ahead, Brad. - I was gonna say the plan, what happened there was the, I think, John Carpenter did this one. He said, "Hey, listen, I'm not doing anymore." One and two are the two that I'm signing off on with Michael Myers that were done with that. But if you wanna use the name, and because the studio's plan was just to have like just these one-offs that were just called Halloween. - Yeah. - And then just keep using it and just each year releasing one, but that one was so poorly received, I guess, that that plan went away, and then everything.

6:53 - Sort of like what we talked about with Friday the 13th, where it wasn't necessarily gonna be a continuing saga of this guy named Jason. It was gonna be a spooky story that happens on Friday the 13th, and then a separate spooky story. - Sort of like a Twilight Zone sort of thing, where it's like, you can have the name on it, but everything's a little different. - That's exactly what it's like, yeah. No, no, that's why it's the stuff. - Friday the 13th did do that with the TV series. If you guys remember, they had their TV series for a little bit. - I don't remember. - Yeah, I don't remember. - I mean, the money grab part of it makes sense because the budget for this thing was $300,000,

7:24 and half of that went to the cameras, and adjusted dollars from 1978 to now, it made $197 million, almost $198 million. What was the adjusted cost to make it? - I didn't do that. - Oh, okay, 'cause that would be a good comparison. - That would be a good comparison. - I can do that right now while y'all talk about it. - It's gotta be less than a million, though. I mean, so, yeah, so it, yeah. I mean, this thing was a blockbuster, and it spawned a whole genre.

7:56 I mean, this is the original slashing. - $1.2 million. - It cost $1.2 million in today's dollars to make, and it made $197,738,000. - That's a decent return. - Yeah. - Well, I mean, hell, it's still making money to franchise, 'cause they just released Halloween kills yesterday, so. - The producer, she actually formed, like she was just like, "I don't need to get paid, it's fine." She actually dressed up as the young Michael Myers, because they couldn't get the little kid on the set for the first two days of shooting, and she was like, "I'll just take a portion

8:27 "of whatever profits." She did okay. - Oh, yeah. - Yeah, I actually saw something really funny that was, it was some kind of online gaming tournament from like the early 2000s, and it was like first prize, $500, second prize, $250, third prize, $100, fourth, fifth, and sixth were like 50 bitcoins. - Oh my God. - And if those people save those, holy crap, they made so much more money than the other people. But you know, Bitcoin was basically worthless and brand new at that point. Nobody knew anything about it, so.

8:59 I would hate to be one of those people who just dumped it that day. Like this is useless. - It's a little bitch. - I saw that, I was like, yeah, sometimes stuff just kind of taking that risk and, yeah, it can work. - Oh, this was one of them. - Yeah, that was definitely one of them. But yeah, I guess if you think about slasher movies in general, there's a lot of talk I've heard like reading stuff online that Black Christmas is considered like the first slasher movie, which came out like 75 or something. But honestly, I never saw it. I feel like there's a lot of people that maybe never saw it.

9:30 I don't think it, you know, like, who was the killer? There's no famous kind of like tag thing with it. This one was really the first one where you had slasher movie with a distinct bad guy, sequels, and what was it two years later, the Friday of the 13th came out, the first one? - I think so, yeah. - Yeah, but this was, I mean, Michael Myers, he was definitely like an entity in and of himself. - Well, as far as remembering these, I remember this one, but I remember watching the second one for whatever reason more. And liking it more as a kid.

10:02 - Really? - Yeah. - No, maybe, I think it might be because the first one is definitely what you might call like a slow burn. Like, there's a lot of buildup. There's a lot of kind of atmosphere to it. There's a lot of walking around and not really finding anything. And almost to me, that was more realistic. The second one, it's like, she's getting chased through the hospital the whole time. - Right. - John Carpenter wrote the first script and patterned it after video serials. So that like every 10 minutes, there's like a crescendo of some sort of, like a-

10:36 - I think I would think there are more of a slow fizzle as opposed to- (all laughing) - That's so funny because I really liked this. - I definitely want to talk to you guys about if you have an ideal horror movie. 'Cause the thing is like, there's some people that just hate this kind of movie and it doesn't matter, well, but it doesn't matter how good or bad or how different. It's just, they're never gonna like it. It's just never gonna be scary enough or whatever.

11:07 And I'm curious if there's something out there that you guys know scares you. And if that sort of thing might be something that I might be like, oh, well, that was just dumb. If it's just different strokes for different folks kind of thing. - That's for me with Amityville horror and shining. - Okay. - Those are my top two. - Yeah, I don't think I've watched the shining really since I was a kid. I think it's one of those ones that I just won't. And I think it would still probably scare me. Although I do want to revisit it for this.

11:39 - That's so funny 'cause I don't find that one scary at all. I find it disturbing. - My ideal one that was scary and terrifying, I mentioned this on the Friday 13th record was Jason. So two, not necessarily two as much, but three, four, and six. I remember them scaring the shit out of me. But I went back and watched them a few years ago with my kids and we were all laughing at it. We're like, this is so dumb. These people are so dumb. Like the tropes are so bad now. And I mean, we ran into this last night.

12:11 So we watched the newest, we watched the newest two Halloween's Halloween and then Halloween Kills, which brings back Jamie Lee Curtis and all that and it's supposed, it takes place in Hadenfield and it's like, whatever, however much time has passed since this incident. You know, it's in the same timeline. - Right. - And like the kids that are young, Tommy, and who's the other little girl? Who's the little girl? - Lindsey. - Yeah, they're full adults in the new one. And yeah, they, but,

12:43 and we're just watching it last night and I'm just like, this is terrible. Like this is. - Was it just over the top? Was it just? - It was just like, no, no, no. A rational person in these scenarios would do what these people are doing. - Yeah. - You would just run or get away or like, there is, I mean, it's just, and then Michael, nobody can, I mean, I don't want to spoil it for you guys, but nobody can shoot a gun, nobody can shoot a gun at all. I mean, literally don't. - Oh, Amanda. - Literally probably five people.

13:14 - Do I tell you? - I'm sorry. - I'm so good for you. Don't waste your time. - Yeah, probably five people in the movie take aim with a gun at Michael Myers and somehow miss. Like at point, or he dodges the bullets or it's only-- - The metrics. - Yeah, well, yeah. There's just, I mean, oh my God. There's just one scene where he's in the car and the woman has just got out of the car and she's running back up to the car, firing the gun and empties the clip and misses him completely. And I'm like, what the hell?

13:45 Come on. Like this is, and everybody else waits for him to get too close before they start firing and he either blocks it or it's like, yeah, it is just-- - So Kelly, for you, it was, you said, Amityville Horror and the Shining? - Yeah, and the Exorcist too, that was another one that I remember as a child, you know, watching, those were the ones that really scared me. - Right. - The movies to me are just, they're just ridiculous. It's like, you know, you just have the, it's, I don't know.

14:19 To me, I get so frustrated when I watch movies, like-- - Right. - I'm like, just hit 'em and they had another time, make sure it's dead, you know, it's hard. - There is a bit of that, yeah, that's true. I will give you that, yeah. - Well Brock, what are your scary movies? - I don't know, I mean, I like the atmosphere of the Shining and I think it's, ghosts have always been kind of creepy to me. I used to think Amityville Horror was scary. I've re-watched it in recent years, it's dumb. - Yeah, I haven't watched it in a while. - And then finding out that it was a complete hoax,

14:49 'cause like when I saw it, you know, it was this idea that maybe this actually did happen and it's come out that it was all made up. - Sure, Judge Horror doesn't do it for me because-- - Well, that's the other thing I was gonna say is the exorcist. I know that if you are a, just, if you believe in demons that I can see how the exorcist would be terrifying. - Right. - I don't. - Yeah. - It's just, eh, it's just goofy, you know, it's just, it's just not, obviously if you experience that in real life, it would be terrifying, but watching it on the screen, it just doesn't do, it just doesn't do anything for me.

15:22 There were aspects of Halloween, the one we watched, that I did find to be scary in the way they were done. - Yeah. - And we can get into that a little bit later, but, I don't know, maybe it's just I'm a jaded adult now and the things that scare me are like, something happening to my bank account or my car nut starting in the morning, you know, like real terrifying. - Session nine was probably the scariest movie I've seen recently. - That was a pretty scary movie, but again, it's atmospheric. - It is atmospheric and people don't know about it. - It's creepy, it's just, it gives a creepy vibe, which is like the shining.

15:52 - Yeah. - You know, you're stuck in this place and somebody's going crazy and the supernatural aspect is interesting, but if that happened in your house, you'd be like, run away. - But the thing with session nine is that it's in your head. - And it's an old mental institution and it's just creepy. - Yeah. - You guys ever seen that session nine? - No. - I've never even heard of it. - It's really good. - Most people haven't, a friend of ours turned us on to it. It came out in like 2000 and it's got a David Caruso and some other people you've never heard of

16:22 and it's just creepy and nothing really happens until like the very end. - I call it brain horror. That's what I like. That's what stares me. Like people running around, chopping each other up. I end up watching it and looking at the special effects like, oh, I wonder how they did that. Oh, I wonder how that happened. And I end up wrapped up in how they, like the procedure to make the movie because the rest of it's just like, eh, whatever. But brain horror really gets to me. - And that's the other thing with session nine is like session nine has an ending, but it doesn't really come out and like beat you

16:54 over the head with what happened. - There's no bow on it. - It's, wow. What exactly did I just watch? - What the fuck did I just watch? - What happened? And Amanda and I have had hours long discussions about, was it this or maybe it was this or, oh, I didn't even pick up on that or, oh, wow, I didn't notice this. But it's not an obvious ending. - Yeah, and there may be people that watch it that are listed on this podcast and are like, that's stupid because it's not a slasher. I mean, it's, it's, but it's scary. - It just depends on what scares you. - To me it's scary. - Right. - Yeah, I, I can't watch the paranormal activity ones.

17:28 I think it's like three or four of them now. - Really? - I don't know what it is 'cause I don't believe in that stuff at all. But somehow the way it's filmed with the like, you know, it's all supposed to be like found footage or not found footage, but it's like, I think the first one, it's like the, the baby monitor. - It's like webcam. - Yeah. - And I remember I was watching it one day. I was here, I was at my house by myself and I was watching it on my phone. It's probably, and I had like AirPods, our headphones on, you know, and maybe that was it. And I was just like, no, I'm good. I, you know, it's broad daylight out.

17:59 And I was like, nah, I'm not doing this to myself. There's no reason I'm gonna do something else now. Yeah. And I never went back to it. - Yeah. - Because I don't believe in it. So. - Yeah. No, it really can depend like I can. - A movie's atmosphere, even if it's something stupid, like snakes on the plane, which I've never seen, but I mean, like if it's something ridiculous, but if it's shot right and you've got like, you know, like good music and like the lighting and everything, it really kind of doesn't matter to some degree. I mean, - Yeah.

18:29 - But if it's done well, mundane things can be very scary. - Yeah. - Even if you don't believe in them. - But that's a thing. Honestly, one of the things I found scary about Halloween is that it wasn't anything. I mean, okay, the ending, you can say maybe they're supernatural over to it, but up until Michael Myers gets shot, it's just a guy and he's just insane. And that can happen. You know, if it's a ghost or a demon or it's like, oh, whatever, you know, that's not real. Humans scare me honestly more than anything supernatural

19:00 because, you know, I can be walking down a green way and I'm never gonna get attacked by a ghost or attacked by a demon, but some random dude could come out with a knife out of the woods and go after me. That could happen. And that's honestly, I think one of the scarier aspects of Halloween. - Yes. - You haven't heard about the green way ghost killer that's out there? - Well, hopefully that's just out in your area and not here. Cheers is drunk people. - James Syskull actually went to see this movie. He like lived two blocks from a movie theater and walked and went to go see it so that he could review it with Ebert

19:32 when they were doing it together. And it scared him so badly, he took a cab home. - Was? - Really? - I'm just saying that like, he said that like the music and the atmosphere just got to him and he actually was like, we don't want to just play. - Sorry. - I hear wine. - That's wine. - But yeah, evidently it scared him. So he was like, and he knew that there was nothing actually going on, but the atmosphere that John Carpenter

20:03 created was enough that Syskull was like, I think I'll just take a cab. - That's the thing with horror I find is that it is very, it really, really depends on what you find scary. Like I said, if you believe in demons, the exorcist may be terrifying. If you believe that your house is haunted and you watch Amityville Horror, it might be terrifying. One of the scariest movies that I personally have seen in recent memory is Zodiac, which is a, you know, it's about the Zodiac killer. And there's just something about this guy walking up in broad daylight and stabbing two people and getting away with it.

20:34 - That damn song. - And they never found them. You know, it's to me and it happened. That is actually now in, you know, in my adult life more scary than, you know, like Myers or-- - Did they think they found him now though? Or there's some groups that think they found him, but-- - There's been a lot of people that thought they found him. There's been nothing conclusive. I'm hoping something like what they did with the Golden State killer will happen. Well, they'll get a DNA match and match it to at least one of the murders and they'll be like, okay, and he's probably gonna be dead by then. - Well, that's the thing is who they think it is.

21:05 It's this retired Air Force guy who lived in Minnesota, who's dead, who died in 2018. But there's some debate about whether or not the people that say it's him, the whatever criminal investigation team or whatever, if they actually are just trying for publicity or if they actually truly think it's him now. - Yeah, I mean, that's the cool thing about DNA is they're gonna solve some of these unsolved things, but they're the really old ones, it's gonna be, well, we figured out who it is, but everybody's dead. So it doesn't really matter.

21:36 - All right. - But that movie just really freaked me out. - I'm sorry, I didn't mean to take us out of tangent. - No, I was honestly curious because I felt compared to Friday the 13th and some other horror movies I've seen given its age, I thought that Halloween was good. It's not a great movie, but I thought it was good. - My question is, did it, were you guys, you said, I think earlier, Brock, that you were scared watching this today, Amanda, were you scared at some point? - I wasn't scared, but there were shots,

22:06 like there were parts of it, like the way it was shot, and I've made some notes 'cause I didn't wanna forget. - Okay. - That, like, I was like, oh, holy shit, that's creepy. - Yeah, and that's the thing for me, I think scared is the wrong word, which is more like, wow, that is just so well done. - There's something very creepy about that. One of the shots, and we can talk more as we get through the plot, if we ever get to the plot, is where, I think it's, the young kid is looking out the window and he sees Michael Myers carrying the first girl he killed in the street, just around the front of the house

22:36 and inside, and there's not much truth. - Taking anger for a trip, yeah. - But it's just, you know, it's just, he's backlit. - But they need a bed. - Yeah, and it's just like, and nobody notices, and to me, that's creepier than a jumpscare, or, and again, that's just me. - When Dr. Loomis is at the hardware store and Michael Myers pulls up behind him in the station way. - Oh, yeah. - And the station wagon, so, it's so obvious that that was the car that Loomis driver was not driving, the nurse was driving, but, and it's like, it's right there,

23:07 and just the way they framed it, where Loomis is just a little off-center to the right, so you can just see the car over his right shoulder, and you're like, turn around, turn around, damn it, you know? - Well, we did determine that Loomis is blind. - Yeah, we did. - That's carry over from his war days, right? - Yeah, exactly, like that shot. - Oh, that's right, great escape. Thank you. I was like, yeah, I've seen him in other movies, and I've seen him in James Bond, but there was another one I couldn't think of, that's it. Yeah, he was very scared, but he's blind at the end, and he's a liability, and, yep, yep, thank you for that.

23:41 - Like, there were just a couple of shots that were just creepy, like the lighting where Jamie Lee Curtis is kind of, like, leaning against the closet, and then, like, as the mask comes forward, the way they kind of lit the mask, and you could just see him? - Yeah. - Right before he, like, slashes her arm with a knife. - I guess, they were a couple of shots like that, where it was just like, yeah, where it really was kind of like, sorry, go ahead. - No, no, I was gonna say, my problem with all those, it feels like they went to the well too much on that. Like, every time, like, once they did it the first, like, three times, I was like, okay, I'm just gonna look for the dark part of the screen,

24:13 and that's where he's gonna pop up, you know? - That's fair, that's fair. - When he killed Bob, like, that was pretty obvious that was gonna happen, but when he just kind of stood there, kind of tilting his head, like, examining the body, I was like, yeah, that's just creepy humans. That's, there's nothing supernatural there, that's just some dude who's gone off the deep end, and like, when John Carpenter wrote it, he had gone on a tour for college, I don't know what he was studying, at a mental institution, and there was a child there that he saw that inspired Michael Myers. - Oh, I didn't wanna know that. - That he saw this kid, like, I don't know,

24:44 like, I don't know what he was studying, I didn't get that far into it, but he went on this tour in college, and while he was there, he saw this young kid who just had this flat, dead expression, and it scared the hell out of him. - Black guys, like a doll. - Like a doll's eyes, they roll over. - I was waiting for Donald Pleasance for Loomis to say that, I was like, did I lose the girls one? That would have been awesome. - But it scared, it scared Carpenter so badly that he wrote this. - Kelly, were you scared at all watching this? - No. - No, not at all. - Okay, it was, there was never,

25:15 and you know, maybe some of it is because we just recently, 'cause I have not seen the original Halloween probably since I was a kid, like, I couldn't remember, like, I big, we were watching, it was almost like it was the first time I'd watched it, but I think some of the issues, we recently watched the two newest, and they were just so bad that I think I went into it a little jaded too. - Yeah. - And, you know, to be fair, I mean, but it just, I think coming out of those two and then watching it,

25:46 I'm just, there was nothing scary about that movie to me. It was, and I kind of, I lump it in with Friday the 13th and Nightmare on Elm Street. They were just cheesy horror movies. - Yeah. - You know? - All right, let's dig it in this plot then. It's a great movie. - I do want to come back tonight, Kelly, though. You mean, like, just real quick, while Brock kind of gets ready to do his part, when I would watch, like, Freddy Krueber, my friend, Debbie and I, we watched those

26:16 because of the bad puns that it was so great. Like, those were just so fun. - Right. - And that's why I never watched, that's why I never watched any of the other ones, 'cause I'm like, it's just crap. Like, when you go into a Freddy Krueger movie, it's, there's gonna be some fun special effects. There's gonna also be-- - It was meant to be scary, but bad, funny. - Yes. - And I know Halloween and Friday that weren't, but it was, it's just-- - It was cheesy to me, and I think that,

26:46 I just can't get past that. I mean, like I said, I like them as the kid, but I really do not remember. I did not remember this first one. So I probably saw the subsequent more often. It has, the Halloween franchise was not my favorite. Like, I just, I just did not care for that one as much as a kid, so. - I think it's, I also think it's just hard to make a good horror movie. - I think so, too. - It can go into the cheese factory so fast. - Well, I think we're also, this is 40 years later,

27:18 you know, I think it's-- - I think that's kind of, yeah, that like judging this one in the same light as the ones that were made recently is a little harsh. - Well, it sounds like that, but it's, you know, all the tropes have been, like, this, yeah, this had to be scary. I mean, it was scary to me as a kid, but it had to be scary to an adult when this first, 'cause this is, as you said, Brock, it's just a guy. - Right. - But I think part of the reason why this, Michael Myers doesn't scare me anymore is that, you know, as I've gotten, I've listened to a lot of podcasts and seen a lot of shows or documentaries

27:50 on real serial killers and all that stuff. And none of them wear masks or do any of that stuff. They don't, nobody could, you couldn't walk around town looking like that. - They're your next door neighbor. - Yeah, they're your next door neighbor. - Yeah, but you, they're hiding and playing site, yeah, but you couldn't, if you saw somebody driving with a mask on around town in this wagon, you know, station wagon that said, you know, for authorized use only or whatever, you'd be like, who the cops would be, you'd be pulled over right away. Be like, uh, come on, man, what are you doing? You can't be wearing a mask while you're driving around.

28:21 Yeah. - Well, but we like, they didn't wear seatbelts either, so. - Wow. - Right. - I remember listening to a podcast about the Golden State Killer back when he was, it was the early days of his crime spree when he was known as the East area rapist. - Oh, that crime. - And he actually would wear a mask. - Oh, he would? - He would creep into people's houses, he'd go and throw up in windows, and there's this, just imagery of him just like, running down the hallway and breaking through bedroom doors to get to these women. - Yeah. - And then he would rape them, and then he,

28:51 he'd tie them up or put like dinner plates on them, so he could hear them if they moved. - Oh, I remember. - And then he'd go get a sandwich out of the fridge. - Yeah, just to do it. - There are certain things that if you saw that in a movie, you'd be like, this is stupid, you know? - Right. - But hearing it, and again, that the true life stuff to me is more terrifying now than any of this made up stuff, but just that imagery of just this guy charging down a hallway wearing like, it was like a paper bag on his head. And I'm like-- - I thought he wore like a, it was like one of those-- - Were a good enough, wasn't it? - Something like that.

29:22 It might have been, but it was definitely a mask. He obscured his face. - That's right, that's right. - That to me, again, that imagery is just awful, and just, ugh, that really happened. And I actually had nightmares about it for a few days. After listening to a podcast, and that is the only time that has ever happened to me in the last, I don't know, what, eight, 10 years of listening to podcasts. But yeah, so maybe I got Golden State Killer vibes from Michael Myers, I don't know. - Yeah, I mean, that's actually fairly, that follows--

29:52 - Yeah, I guess that keeps us scary. - Now I'm gonna have my hair. - You're welcome. (laughs) - So, all right, so let's go ahead and dig into this plot and see where we can get. So the movie starts on October 31st of 1963, which is what, 15 years before the events of the movie? - Yep. - So, not like 60 years ago. In the quiet community of Hadenfield, Illinois, six-year-old Michael Myers watches through the window of his family's house, spying on his older sister Judith, making out with her boyfriend. You're right. - I was right. - I thought it was his mom, you're right, okay, sorry.

30:23 - You thought that was his mom? - No, no, no, the tombstone, sorry, whoops. (laughs) So the tombstone that he takes later and displays, Amanda's like, "Oh, it's his sister." And I was like, "No, I thought Judith was his mom." - No, it's his sister. - Yeah, so, sorry, sorry, tangent. The couple retreat upstairs to have sex, and Michael enters the house, grabs his chef knife, and waits for the boyfriend to leave. Michael then goes upstairs and brutally stabs the sister to death. He then walks out of the house, where he meets his parents in the yard. They discover their six-year-old son

30:53 and remove his mask, staring at him in a state of shock with the knife covered in blood. - All right. - So the opening scene I thought was pretty dumb. - Yes. - First of all, that boyfriend finished way too quickly. - 30 second, man. - I know. - I know. - It's 40 seconds in actual film. - You timed it? - Yeah, well, yeah. - Cheers. - So what, three pumps? I'm thinking of three. - I said two pumps in a wiggle. (both laughing) - Maybe he's a teenager, so maybe a pump and a half.

31:23 - I'm so glad I was not drinking my beer. - He ran so fast. - Thank you. - He ran so fast 'cause he was premature. - Yeah, he probably did even. He was like, I'm sorry, he had to go. I gotta go now, yeah. - Yeah, I'm sorry, I have to leave because I have to change my underwear. - Yeah. (both laughing) - Yeah, but that was-- - That was good for me. - 'Cause we were talking about that, like, did they just have sex? - Yeah, that was like, did they just finish making it? Wait, her clothes are on the floor. - And then Michael goes upstairs and there's all the clothes on the floor, and I'm like, I guess they did. - Kind of? - And then she's doing her, as all I know all women do,

31:56 is they brush their hair in their underwear after they've had a magic. - They're like on the bathroom. - Yeah, yeah, that's right. She should be going to the bathroom. UTI, people, UTI, hello. Talk to Bill Clinton, man, those things, you can get out of hand. (both laughing) - My other big issue with that opening scene. - The parents. - Parents, oh my God! Like Michael, what are you doing? What are you doing? The dad staring-- - Your six-year-old comes out of the house with a knife and he's got blood on himself and a knife and he's standing there

32:26 with this blank expression, and the mom just puts her hands in her pockets. Like, I am not touching that kid. - I've got so many problems, like, this whole movie, and it starts with this, is where the hell are all these parents going on Halloween night? - Yeah. - Are they going-- - I said that to Brooke. - I was like, why are the baby-- Didn't all the kids be out trick-or-treating? What the fuck is going on in this town? I didn't understand that at all. And then, I think you mentioned, Kelly, who were watching, you were like-- - Why was he outside by himself?

32:56 Like, was he trick-or-treating by himself? - It was the '60s, so. - True. I mean, it could be that she plopped him in front of the TV, like all these other babysitters. Like, here, watch a movie while I go fuck my boyfriend. - I would say that based on the opening scene, his parents sucked. - Yeah. Like, they didn't touch him. - You know, they were bad parents. - They didn't take the knife off him. They just stood there. Like, I said, mom looks at him, puts her hands in her pockets, like, well, shit, this was not mine anymore. - You know, a few days earlier, it was, what's Michael doing? Oh, he's out back playing in the dog. Shit again, hun. Oh, well, that's Michael. - He's made a straw man, and he's stabbing it with a knife.

33:28 (laughing) My also, and Kelly brought this up where I watch it. Like, I get it, it would hurt when you get stabbed by the six-year-old with a knife. But don't you think, as a teenager, you could have fended off the kid after, I mean, you're like, he walks in with the knife, you're like, "Michael, Michael, what are you doing?" - Brad, she was tired from that energetic sex. - Oh, oh, sorry, I forgot about that. I forgot that you go into some sort of haze, you know? She was in a post-coil- - Post-coil. - Her hands were covered in semen,

33:59 and everything was slippery, I don't know. It was just, yeah, I mean, the fact that like-- - She was exhausted. - She died so fast. - Maybe he had a lucky slasher. - And I don't remember exactly what she said. I was like, "Oh, no, God." It was like, that was just like-- - The beginning part, not so good. - Yeah, well, I'll tell you, Michael's knife must be laced with poison, 'cause everyone he stabs dies right away. - Instantly. - Yeah. - Like they wouldn't die like that. - Yeah. - I mean, those are your scripts. Be fair, all horror movies are like that. The whole thing where it's like, it takes like seven minutes to strangle somebody to death. Horror movies, you do it for 30 seconds,

34:31 because nobody wants to watch seven minutes of that. - That would be a rough movie to watch. - That would be, yeah. - But I think that would be the scariest, maybe. - Right. - Like, to actually-- - The guy struggled with someone for, yeah, seven minutes. - Yeah. - Well, guys, we know what we're making. - Yeah. - This is our money grab. (laughs) - If this is being recorded, great. Now it's out in the ether. Someone's gonna steal our idea. - Let's scrub that part. - Yeah. - I'll fix it in post, yeah. - All right, so back to the plot. So yeah, that's the opening. And honestly, that was the part I had the most trouble with

35:04 as a scene, so. - I just feel like that was the stupid smart. - Michael is admitted to the Smith's Grove Sanitarium and placed under the care of Dr. Samuel Loomis, a resident psychiatrist. 15 years later, on October 30th, 1978, Michael breaks out of the asylum, steals a government-owned car, murders a truck driver for his boiler suit. - Okay. - Oh, right. And makes his way to his hometown of Hadenfield. Dr. Loomis sets off to track him down. - Okay, I'd rather. - I wanna, when they're pulling, him and the nurse are pulling into the,

35:34 the asylum, whatever. - Yeah, that's creepy. - And just the people are out walking in the yard and they don't seem, they're like, just pull up to the gate. It seems okay, they're out in the rain. Like what the fuck? And then he. - That was creepy though. - And he spider monkeys onto the back of the car. - That is, that scene is weird. Like it's- - My issue, there was some, some escaped mental patients climbing on your car, you rolled down the window? - On the scene, yeah, this nurse was dumb too, but the part where they're going in and there's like this quick headlight shot of just the people just wandering around outside.

36:05 - Just the lights are creepy. - That was kind of creepy. Yeah, the spider monkey thing, the, there's somebody on the roof of my car, let's roll my window down and yell at them. - Yeah, you get off, you get off. - Yeah, you didn't even get a chance to do. - When he steals the car, one of the things I said to Brock was like, how the hell does he know how to drive? But actually- - They cover that later. - They do have a throwaway line for that. - Yeah. - But it's not even that carpenter when he wrote it was like every, every year, Lewis would have to drive him for an evaluation. And so, I mean, like they don't,

36:35 it's not like they talk in the car because Michael Myers- - He just watched him drive. - He just watched, just consistently. - Well, that was my thing. 'Cause later on in the movie- - I mean, it wasn't like some rando just came up with that. - Later on in the movie, you know, Michael Myers is following people around in the car. And I thought it was just a misunderstood moment. I feel like he's just practicing. He wasn't really tailgating those people and following them. He was just, he was trying to perfect the art of driving 'cause obviously he's only been doing it for a day. - 'Cause he needs a getaway car. - Yeah. - He needs a getaway car. - I mean, I feel like he was- - I feel like he was the- - John Carpenter's wrong. - Yeah, yeah. I don't think Michael was doing anything bad about that.

37:07 So, okay. So the next day on Halloween and Hadenfield, teenager Lori Strode, Jamie Lee Curtis, is making her way to school. She meets up with Tommy Doyle, a boy who Lori, excuse me, plans to babysit that night. On the way, Lori runs an errand for her dad and drops off a key to the old Myers house, which is now abandoned and dilapidated. Despite Tommy's warnings of the house being haunted. During school, Lori sees Michael now donning a white mask and a dark blue jumpsuit, staring at her from across the street

37:39 out of the school window. After school, Lori walks home with her two friends, Annie Brackett, a rebellious and sarcastic teenager. - I hate her. - She is the nat of this. - No, you hate the sheriff's daughter. - Yeah, Annie. - Oh, okay. You're right, right. - Annie's the nat of this one. - Yeah. - I hate her. - And Linda, a blonde cheerleader. And Linda says totally every third word. - Yes, I have that in my house. It was the late '70s. - Jamie Lee Curtis was the only teenager on set. - Yeah, the one woman, is it Annie? It was like 30. - She was 30 and Linda was 28.

38:09 - Yeah. - They were terrible friends there. They all looked at, even Jamie Lee Curtis, but it was the clothes and the hair of it. I suppose I told Brad, I'm like, they all look like they're in their 30. - Yeah, yeah. I thought the same thing. - Jamie Lee Curtis had $100 to go to JCPenney and buy her clothing, the entire wardrobe for the movie. So, what can you possibly get at JCPenney in 1978 that looks hip? - Yeah, but we actually looked it up because I'm like, they all look like they're in there, at least they're mid 20s. And it turned out that one of them was, one of them was actually close to 30. And Jamie Lee Curtis was,

38:40 we figured 19 during filming. - Nah, it said she was 17. - Really? - Yeah, that's what I-- - It turned yours to get a tip. - Oh, okay, well, maybe, that's even weirder 'cause she definitely didn't look that young. - Yeah. - But yeah, I hated the friends. I don't remember hating the friends that much, but I thought that Annie was just like, this is the kind of friend that you don't want. You know, she seems to dislike you. She doesn't like the things you do. She's just constantly saying mean things. And the whole thing where she's like,

39:11 oh, that boy you admitted to me that you like, I called him up. Like, oh thanks, you know, that's exactly what I need. It's like an introverted-- - I had a friend do you like to be in high school and I wanted to kill her. - Yeah, I mean, it's just like, you're not a friend, you're an asshole. So-- - Yeah, she's a total bitch. And then she's all mad 'cause her boyfriend can't come over. - Yeah. - So they can fuck. And then she's like, I guess I'm gonna be alone tonight. Fuck you, your babysitting is stupid bitch, I mean. - And the blonde was just there, basically to get, you know, get, have sex with and get killed. I mean, that's like, what was the point of her friendship?

39:42 So yeah, they were just, the friends were terrible. So the three of them chat about their plans for tonight and Laurie sees Michael inside a government car cruising by the girls and she catches him watching her from behind a row of hedges. Annie is skeptical and teases Laurie for babysitting so much and not having a date claiming she is hallucinating guys due to her loneliness. Soon after Laurie, Linda, and Annie reach their own homes as evening begins to fall. That's, the head scenes classic, that's iconic. I like that part. - Yeah, I like that stuff happens during the day.

40:14 That was something that I always found really interesting is that, you know, it's not all like, oh, somebody popping up in my window at night or sneaking into my house at night or happening in the dark. Just this random dude standing there. - So my one fun fact, and I should've told you guys before when you're watching it, is that they film this in Southern California, right? It's supposed to be in Illinois. They film it in the spring. It's supposed to be fall, obviously, 'cause it's Halloween. So they had like two and a half bags of leaves and they scattered them all around.

40:45 And you can tell if you look in the wide shot, you're like, oh, wow, that yard. And then as Kelly's pointed out, I'm obviously colorblind, so I get her. She's like, oh, all the leaves are green too. Like there's something, and I'm like, like the five leaves are on the sidewalk right there. And then the sidewalk, right up this block is there's nothing there. - To add to that, they actually found an artist who was doing something with a bunch of paper leaves and the crew and the cast had to paint them all brown. And one of the people, Robert Englund, who's Freddy Kruger, his roommate, was friends with John Carpenter.

41:17 And Robert Englund got roped into throwing leaves from a garbage bag in one of the scenes before he was Freddy Kruger. - Oh, cool. - There's my brat bag. - So that's the first best, wait, that's Freddy versus Michael then? - Yes. - It's a prequel. - Yeah, he's like, I got what he's got, man. - Yeah, he's like, my roommate wrote me into it. He was like, hey, my friends make you this movie, you should come and see it. And he was like, no, I ended up like, I don't know, we got a prop guy for like a day, like throwing bags of leaves. - Yeah, 'cause I kind of pointed that out at one point.

41:48 I was like, didn't they film this in like the spring or something? - You can see a home. - But you can also, you can kind of get the idea of like somebody, you can not see them necessarily, but you can see the motion of the leaves, like just some random dude drawing them. But I think it always makes me think of a Christmas story. You've heard of that story, Brad, right? That the Christmas story, when they filmed it, it was like, there was no snow on the ground and it was like 50 degrees wherever they filmed it. I think it might have been filmed in Illinois or wherever it's set. And it was a very warm winter. And all the snow in the movie is fake. - Really? - Most of it, yeah.

42:20 - No, I never do that. - And so like they're in there, you know, they're outside like in their really thick coats and everything and they're all basically dying because it's not that cold, for whatever reason. Yeah, it doesn't come across. - That was true of some other Christmas, so that one of the terrible ones. I think it might be the one with Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sinbad and they were, yeah. - I'm sorry, what? No, no, no, no. I'm gonna need you to roll back on that. What? - Wait, wait, wait, do you go all the way? - Yes, yes. - You go the name of this movie? - I've never seen it.

42:50 - Oh my God, really? It's, you're lucky. - Sinbad and Arnold Schwarzenegger. - Sinbad and Arnold Schwarzenegger. And they get into a, it's basically, it's like the Seinfeld episode where George is dead attacks the guy to get the toy and that's why Festivus becomes a thing. It is, the plot of the whole movie is that is, it's action man, or I can't remember what the damn toy is, but his son wants it, Arnold's son wants it, so the whole movie is him just trying to get it

43:22 and Sinbad is the protagonist and they end up like, killing some people, really, to get the toy. I mean, people would have died in the events that take place in this dumb movie, but what's it called? I think it's just called action man or something. - I don't know, it's, oh, it's got all that, oh, oh, yeah. - I just remember hearing about it and then being like, I'm not gonna see this unless it's one of those, wow, that's actually good and it looks terrible and it wasn't, it was just bad. - I think they get arrested at one point and then they blow up the police station.

43:53 - Wow, we have to do this movie. This has gotta be a podcast. - No, but see, if we do like, watching bad movies, that's one thing, I've never seen it. It's a gift to our listeners. - I think for Christmas, we should do homework movies. - Ooh, Christmas mail, we need to do Christmas mail. - Christmas mail is a classic, yes. All right, so back to Halloween. Later that night, Annie and Laurie drive together to their babysitting jobs. Dr. Loomis arrives in Hadenfield and discovers Michael has stolen his sister's Judith's grave

44:23 from the cemetery and I totally missed that. For some reason, I thought that was his mom that he went back to visit, but whatever. - I think Loomis mentions going to just look at like where his mother is buried, but we noticed that the sister's grave stone is missing. - Okay, 'cause I, yeah, I somehow totally missed that. He also joins forces with the town Sheriff, Sheriff Brackett, Annie's father, and they both begin searching the town for Michael. Annie and Laurie arrive at the neighborhood. Laurie is babysitting Tommy and Annie is babysitting a girl named Lindsay across the street.

44:53 Michael has followed the girls and proceeds to stalk Annie, watching her through the windows. The night progresses as Loomis and Brackett search around Michael's desolated home and Annie gets locked in the laundry room when trying to watch a shirt she spilled butter on with Michael watching her through the window. Okay, so there's a lot of stuff that happened there. I definitely want to touch on the dog skunk debacle, which we alluded to earlier. So there's a, they go into Michael's house and they're looking around to see if he's there because they feel like Loomis feels like he's gonna come back to his old house, which makes sense.

45:24 And they notice in like a corner of one room, you never see it, but that there's a dog on the floor and the dog is warm, the dog is dead, and Loomis is like he's been feeding on it. And the sheriff is skeptical because the sheriff doesn't even believe necessarily that Michael Myers has come back. And the sheriff actually says, maybe a skunk did it. - Right. - And at first I thought I misheard it, but we looked up the script and in the script, the sheriff actually insinuates that maybe a skunk

45:55 broke into this house, quart a dog and killed it. And maybe ate some of it. - And with skunks. - And with skunks. - Don't do that. That's not a, that's a skunk thing. - Join us on our next podcast where we have a skunk. - Yeah, we're the good old expert on this, yeah. - And before we started recording, we had a 10 minute conversation. We were like googling skunks and what they eat and skunks don't kill dogs. And they don't leave some if they do kill. They spray them and they run.

46:26 So. - Maybe that dog deserves it though. It's a real asshole dog. - Well, what the hell? That's just such a, you know, any other animal. Maybe another dog did it. Maybe, I don't know, just skunk. - My thing is how the fuck did Loomis know that he took a bite out of the dog that Michael Myers did it. How did he know that? - I don't know. Maybe Michael has a really big bite. I really don't know. - And the guy only eats dog. I mean. - Yeah, that's what they found at the asylum. - I mean, he broke into the hardware store

46:57 right to get the mask. I mean, that part would just, but so why would he just break into it? Like, it's such a weird, like, why would they have him? I don't mind him, like, the fact that he kills the dog at the right before he kills Annie is fine 'cause the dog's given away his position. But like, why have him be a dog eater? It's such a weird. - I, maybe it's just that showing like how crazy he is. Like the idea of him eating a dog wouldn't be weird to him. He was just hungry. - In human.

47:27 - Yeah. - It's a creepy factor thing, maybe. I don't know. - I don't know. - But it's said to, I tell you what, Donald Pleasant, they just put him, he spends most of this movie just hanging out in a bush. (laughing) I mean, he's in that bush for over an hour of the movie. - Yeah. - Waiting for Michael to come back. And he's actually right because Michael was there when Lori dropped the key off in the very beginning, which spurs the whole obsession with her, right? That's why I mean, if she hadn't been helping her, dad out, who couldn't do his own damn work.

48:00 I'll tell you what, one thing I am, and I think we started talking about this, but I'm really confused about the layout of where everybody's house is into relation to other houses. Because we know that they go, they say they're going babysitting, Annie and Lori, and they're gonna be three houses down from one other. So that's where most of it takes place. In Tommy's house and Lindsay's house. - Yeah. - And they can see each other through the windows. They see. And then Michael's house is within walking distance

48:32 of Lori's house 'cause she's walking to school. It's on route to her school, right? - Yeah, it's like a few blocks over. - Right. But then they need to borrow the car at night to go to their babysitting gig. But when Loomis finally sees the car, I'm skipping ahead a little bit, but when Loomis finally sees the car and then gets back to the sheriff, he's like, "He's three blocks from here." So where the fuck were they all driving? - Yeah, because you remember that scene? - We're gonna smoke weed. - They were driving around smoking that weed. - Yeah, they were just driving around. - They were just, why would they need the car then?

49:04 Why would they need the car then? - Because they were coming home late at night. They were gonna get done at like midnight or something. And so... - Makes no problem sense. - So Ted, your dad's a cop. Just haven't picked you up. - But then, well, he's working. - Well, is it the whole point? Aren't you supposed to have the father or the husband of the babysitting gig? He's supposed to drive you home, right? So you can make out before he drops you off, right? And the hell it works? - How much babysitting did you do, Brad? - A lot. (all laughing) - We obviously made out with a lot of father.

49:34 - I made out with a lot of father. - God, that's why you have more money than Brock. - It's already young. - That's a completely different podcast. (all laughing) - We're not allowed to record that one. - I don't want to be the extra special guest. (all laughing) - Yeah, but I just, I could not put together in the fact that Loomis is hanging out in that bush all that time and then he turns around and then-- - Is there a startle's in there? - Well, no, but the car's right there. He sees the car-- - Oh yeah, I'm like-- - Loomis is blind.

50:05 - Yeah, I'm like-- - Wait, why are you talking to that? - Yeah, yeah, Loomis is blind, but-- - And his-- - And it was never right because Michael never comes back to the house. - But he did go to the house initially. - I know, but he missed him. I mean, he should have known he already had his dog and left. I mean-- - Do you think that if Michael had been successful then killed Jamie Lee Curtis and then left, do you think he would have gone back to the house? - No, he was obviously setting up the altar wherever the fuck it was in the other house. He picked Loomis's house as the-- - That's true. - 'Cause he stages Annie on the bed with the headstone.

50:35 What the fuck was that? - It was-- - He was skipping ahead, but-- - It was interesting, though, to think that they say like, oh, somebody broke into the hardware store and they stole a mask, knife, I think. - Some rope and some knives. - Did they steal knives? 'Cause it didn't-- - No, he didn't. - I don't think he stole a knife. - Yeah, he said Halloween masks, plural, some rope. - Did he say Halloween masks? 'Cause my thing was like, why would a hardware store have a mask like that? - Yeah, he did, they did say that, because he was talking about where he got the mask. - No, it's because it's like an old school like general store, like-- - It's a general, yeah.

51:05 - Yeah, yeah. - That's what I think. - Yeah, 'cause I was like, there's, there's, okay. And then, but these like, he stole rope, which he never uses, but that's okay. - He doesn't choke out Annie in the car? - No. - He does, but with his hands, right? That's how he kills her, right? - I think it starts to strip for rope to see how many knives they said he stole. - Oh, okay. - We're gonna do it. - You just wouldn't go back. - I thought he killed Annie with a rope, no? - No, he-- - Set up knives. - So, Halloween mask, he says the only thing-- - Halloween masks. - The only thing missing were some Halloween masks

51:36 rope and a set of knives. What does that sound like to you? - Fun set up, no no no. - I mean, Loomis is right there, he knows. He's like, well, actually, he doesn't hear that part. He pulls up after-- - He's talking to Annie and-- - Yeah, he's talking to Annie and they're stoned, too, so they would be like-- (laughing) - They're stoned and they're gonna go babysit, awesome. - They're on the weed. - That's not the weed. - That's the thing you've gotta learn from these movies is that if you smoke dope or have sex, you are going to get murdered. - They really do start, it starts the whole trope of, yeah,

52:09 teenage sex is bad, right? - Yeah, Laurie doesn't have sex, so she lives. - All right. Well, technically Annie didn't either. She planned on having it. - Right, that scene where she's washing her clothes and gets caught in the window and what the fuck was, that was like two show cops. - It was kind of goofy, yeah. - Well, and my thing is, why would the lock be on the outside of whatever that was, the shed? - The shed, well, no, I could see that. It's a shed so you lock it and then you like--

52:40 - When you're leaving, yeah. - Okay, you don't really call us people living at it? I just never seen an external washer and dryer room, laundry room, yeah. - Yeah, that must be it. - It's an older house, I think you have them, yeah. - Yeah, I guess that's an older house, yeah. 'Cause it's just in California, so, yeah. - You mean Illinois? - Yeah, it'll take the elderly to bring it to a washroom, yeah. - Okay. - All right, so Annie gets a call from her boyfriend, Paul. - Who's actually John Carpenter? - Who was apparently voiced by John Carpenter.

53:10 And decides to go pick Paula. Annie then takes Lindsey over to Tommy's house with Lori and returns to the Wallace house. When she gets in the car to leave, Michael ambushes Annie from the backseat and strangles her before slitting her throat with the chef knife. Back at the Doyle house, Tommy witnesses Michael carrying Annie's corpse into the Wallace residence. He tries to tell Lori, but she dismisses it and sends Tommy and Lindsey to bed. So that was the scene that I was saying earlier of creeping me out where it's the little kids looking out. And who, yeah, Tommy witnesses just this random guy who he thinks is the boogie man.

53:41 - But even-- - Carrying this, you know, obviously it least passed out, if nothing worse, girl around the front and into the house. And nobody noticed it. - But there's other good shots before that where Michael's standing outside the house, just looking in and Tommy's like, the boogie man's like, there's a couple of shots where he's just kind of like uplit just like staring in the window to stand in there. - He is the boogie man, all right. I mean, Luma says it at the end. - That's true, that's true. Stop jumping ahead. (laughing) - I like Lindsey, I gotta say, I like where she hands Annie, her ass, where she picks up the phone.

54:12 She was stuck in the window at her underwear. - Oh, yeah. - I was like, hey, go. I was like, go, I like that. - So that little girl is apparently one of the real housewives of Orange County now. Kyle, Kyle. - Oh, no. - Kyleie or something. - Kyleie or something. - Yeah, something, yeah, she's in the last one. - Yeah, she's in the most recent one. - Oh, okay. Yeah, I, but see, that's this thing is like, I thought that the way that Annie was killed was interesting because it's not overly gory, you know?

54:42 It's just, Michael pops up, tries to strangle her. She actually fights back instead of just giving in, like, you see in so many horror movies. It takes a while, she tries to beat the horn, and then he's like, all right, enough of this, and he slits her throat and she dies. - Kyleie Richards was her name. No, but see, that scene is bullshit though, because I'm gonna tell you what. Okay, she walks out, right? She's gonna go to the car to get her boyfriend. She can't get in the car, it's locked, right? So she's like, oh, I need the keys. Which, back in those days, you wouldn't have need keys

55:15 regardless to start it or, you know, so I'm not gonna lie, she didn't have the keys. So then she comes back to the car, so, and then it's unlocked. So did Michael have a spare set of keys? - He's wearing a maintenance jumpsuit. He's got a skeleton key in his pocket. - Wait, is that really what happened? - Yeah, and then she doesn't unlock the door? Yeah, she opens the door. - She went to open it, and it was locked, and she went back to get the keys. - Yeah, she does, and then when she comes back, so that means the door is locked at that point, which means that when she comes back, it's unlocked.

55:46 - It comes back, it's unlocked, and Michael's in the back seat. - Unless they never showed the back of the car, maybe. - He was already in there? - He was already in there. That could have been, or maybe-- - It was kind of creepy. It was kind of creepy when it was all fogged up, like that was-- - Oh, that was good, that was good, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, that was, but yeah. Either that or he was in the car, he saw her coming, and then locked it so she couldn't get in. - Yeah, that makes no sense. - That makes no fun, too. - That knocked it again. - And unlocked it so she, yeah. - Yeah.

56:16 - So I'm like, what, this is just a little, whatever. - Yeah, that was, I like the idea of him hiding in the car. I like the foggy window, and I thought that her kill was realistic, as realistic as you get in a movie like this. But yeah, that is an interesting point with the car keys, I don't know. - You think it was realistic, Kelly, what did you say after we watched that part? - What part? - What about when she got strangled? - I don't remember. - We were like, that's some terrible acting. - Oh, God. (laughing) - I don't know, it was horrible. - She rolls her eyes back into her head, yeah.

56:46 - Okay, okay, well, all right. - We were commenting on her acting so much as like it wasn't like a two second choke and she's out. - Yeah. - Well, that part was good. - That's the boyfriend's job. - Or-- - We were actually dying. (laughing) - Yeah, yeah, I'll agree, I'll agree. This doesn't have the best acting, but see, my thing is like, if this was the pride of the 13th movie, she would have sat down in a harpoon when I come from the back seat and gone through her stomach and her heart would be beating on the steering wheel and pale. You know, it would be something just ridiculous and over the top, which for all I know, the new Halloween movies are like that,

57:17 but I like the subtlety of these old-- - Yeah, they are. - He's just about killing these people. It's not about a gore fest. - That was one of the things where the guy that is Michael Myers, the guy in the mask, is at Nick Castle, he was supposed to just be on set like helping out, but he wanted to see like how the movie was made. So John Carpenter was like, well, you could be Michael Myers. You put the mask on, you'll be able to see everything. And he was like, okay, cool. And so he was actually asking John Carpenter, like what's my motivation?

57:48 And he was like, this guy is just about killing it. Like there's nothing going on inside his head except just killing. He's like, when you're walking to don't kill somebody, he's like, I don't want you to run. I don't want you to wave your arms around. I don't want you to try to look bigger or scary. He's like, it's like you're walking from here to go, like pick up some groceries. He's like, it should just be very methodical, very slow, like you've got all the time in the world but just be intent on it. I thought that was really good. Like instead of it being, (laughing)

58:21 - Well, much like Jason, I think later on, Michael acquires the ability to teleport. - Oh snap. - So, you know, he can walk really slow and suddenly be in front of people who are running. But again, it's a spoiler for anybody but in the new one, yeah. You're talking about, he's not like this super killer. He takes on like a whole fire brigade and it's like a James Bond action sequence where he is fucking ridiculous. - And see, that's, I hate that. I would much rather have the subtlety of this one crazy guy

58:54 with granted bad acting and some other stuff that maybe doesn't quite hold up as much as the other bits but just the simplicity of it. 'Cause I can look at it and be like, it's more realistic. - Right, and it's one on one and it's an older, he's older, he's like 23 or what it, right? And he's 21. - He's 21, yeah. - Well, he's 21 by the real math but at the end credits, they say he's 23. But yeah, that's a goof, but they couldn't do the math, right? But no, it's not like in Friday 13th,

59:28 we watched last week where it's, you're like, that's a 60 year old woman who's attacking these teenagers and somehow like getting the upper hand on them. Whereas this is more realistic where it's just a, it's an adult male who's getting the edge over teenage women, right? I mean, it's, and there's only one guy he kills, right? - Yeah, yeah. - Well, unless you count the repairman dude that he stole. - Oh, that's right. I forgot about that. - Oh, yeah, that's an off-screen kill.

59:59 So yeah. - Yeah, you never really see it. Yeah, and Loomis doesn't even see it. He just finds the truck. But yeah, that happened more in the beginning. So, as he just fucking forgets, it's a crime scene. And he's just like, let me just see what's going on here. - I think he's your intent on finding Michael Myers. He's like, fuck this, it's already over out of here. - That was funny. We're watching it. And he like finds the matchbook or whatever and runs off and a man is like, he's a terrible investigator. And I'm like, he's a doctor. - Oh, I can't believe it, all right. - That scene, so we're there in the house and the gutter comes through the window

1:00:31 and he jumps, he's got the gun, and he's like, I've got a permit for it and all that. So he says that to the sheriff, right? Which is fine. Like he's like, you're the little jumpy. He's like, or you're scared. And he's like, yeah. And then the sheriff comes up behind him and follows him. - That's awesome. - The sheriff, the sheriff, he should have just shot the sheriff. That would have been a great, if he'd just turn around and shot the sheriff. - Yeah, let's see. - So, shoot his deputy. - Loomis is blind, Annie is a shitty friend. Linda is just there for sex,

1:01:01 totally just there for sex. And the sheriff is a dumb ass. Is that, well, we already did the sheriff though. Loomis is lying, that's what I said first. See, that's the character development. - Because that car was driving all the way through, and I mean, did they not, they said they'd put out an APV on the car at the beginning and he had the car, how many times did the sheriff probably go by that car? - That had the big sign on the side of it. - I mean, there's only 10 people in the town, so. (laughs) - Well, the problem is, is that the sign on the side, Kelly didn't say, "I'm the bad guy."

1:01:32 - Right. - You know, if it had said, "I'm the bad guy." - It kinda did, it said for official use only or whatever. - But it was printed really small, but it was a really bad font choice, yeah. - But you would think that Loomis would have said, "Hey, he escaped in this car." So, chances are he still has it. I mean, I think they should have been looking for it. - He really should have changed cars out. I think that would have been a better, if he'd taken the tow truck. - True. - True. - And that would have been true. - That would explain how he got through the roadblocks and the APB and nobody would be looking for that car. - But he didn't know how to drive anything but that car.

1:02:05 - And if he'd stolen the tow truck, they could have done some banjo music. - That would have been, I mean, that would have been great. It's a deleted scene where the tow truck's a stick, and you see Michael, they're like, (laughing) - Apparently, mother of a mother of a mother. - Yeah, in fact, he gets out and starts stabbing me. (laughing) - Maybe that's why he didn't take the tow truck. It was a stick. - Yeah, yep. - Brad, I think you nailed it. - All right, I got you. - He killed the guys. - He killed the guys, stripped of making,

1:02:36 took his clothes, went and sat in the driver's seat and went, son of a bitch. (laughing) He went and got the other car. (laughing) - All right, so back to the plot, 'cause we still have a bit more to go here. - Really, all right. - And he gets a call from her boyfriend, Larry did that part. - And he then takes it to, oh crap, I can't remember where I left off. - He straggled her. - He put, yeah, well, and then Laurie, Tommy witnesses Michael carrying Annie's corpse and then Laurie sends the two kids to bed. Soon after, Linda and her boyfriend, Bob,

1:03:08 who is, God, what a throwaway character, arrived at the dark and empty Wallace house, planning on surprising and scaring Annie. - Problem, that's a sweet ass van, though. I mean, come on, that Ford Transit van he has? - Well, and those glasses too, whatever those are called, yeah, upon entrance, they find Annie and Lindsey not there, so they go upstairs and have sex. Okay, a couple things here, holy shit. So first of all, you go into a house where your friend is babysitting, they're not there, so you go into some random person's bed and have sex.

1:03:40 - Well, no, wait, hold on. They do go in there-- - It's two bumps in your gun, so-- - Well, no, but they are making out on the couch and then Laurie calls and tells them that the little girl's over at her house and they're looking for Annie, and so she's like, "Oh, she's not here." So remember the whole plan was they even talk about this as they're trying to pretend to drink Budweiser in the front seat of the van terribly. That was some bad method acting. Like they were like, "I don't know how these cans work." Yeah, and then she's like, "Give me a beer. "I want a beer, give me a beer." - I'm a teenager, I want a beer.

1:04:11 - So she says-- - She says-- - Remember they say, "Hey, we're gonna go in, "we're gonna talk for a little bit," and then Annie's gonna distract Lindsey, and then we're gonna sneak upstairs and go to the first bedroom, so it's already set up. They're whole plan-- - It's still just terrible. - Terrible, I mean, just-- - Well, no, then they find out there's nobody there, so they're like, "Yeah, it's the fuck house now, let's go." - All right, okay, so all right, I can excuse that. But did you guys catch the line when they're getting out of the car after drinking badly all the Budweiser or whatever, where Bob throws away the line

1:04:42 that they're gonna take off Lindsey's clothes? - Yeah. - I didn't think that. - No, yeah, what the hell was that? - Come on, it should've, Annie would be like, why would it say, "Yeah, well, they're drunk, I guess," right? They don't know what they're saying. - Have you ever been so drunk that you wanted to get a seven-year-old girl named-- - All right, let's stop-- - Don't answer that. - No. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Like it goes back to the babysitting podcast. - Yeah, I was just like, whoa, did he just-- - But I think he was just being stupid to tell. - But I just remember turning to Amanda and being like, "Lindsey's the girl," right?

1:05:12 The little-- - Right, I know, that's why I'm like, it should've-- Yeah, that's a weird, that's a weird, ugh. - All right, we'll go on-- - Yeah, so here's the actual script. Bob says, "Okay, first I rip off your clothes off." Then Linda says, "You idiot." And then Bob says, "Then you rip my clothes off. "Then we rip Lindsay's clothes off. "I think I've got it." - And Linda goes, "Totally." - What? - Okay. - I'm just-- - Yeah, you know what, I caught that, but I was thinking, Annie would Lindsay, so it didn't-- - Yeah.

1:05:42 - Or Lori, I mean, there's a lot of-- I have to wonder if he messed that up and was supposed to say Lori. - Maybe, well, so let's tell you another thing about that scene. So I don't, whoever edited this movie was horrible, because another thing about that scene is when they leave to go to the house, he leaves the fucking door wide open to the van. Did you catch that? - No. - But they just walk at the van door-- - But he's drunk, Kelly's drunk, he's drunk, he's drunk. - Michael is, he's walking back and forth to two houses. He came out, he's trying for him, he was not-- - He waited to watch it, he shot it, walked it. - Yeah, they do it, there's a movie

1:06:12 where they shoot it from Michael Myers perspective and half the movie is him going, "Jesus Christ," and closing doors, Jesus Christ, closing doors-- - Oh, one of the other things that I was like, I mean, trying to put yourself in the position of these absentee parents is, you know, Brock and I decide we're gonna go out Halloween and our neighbors across the street are also gonna go out Halloween night. And we're gonna get separate babysitters. And then it's gonna be totally fine if the babysitter across the street comes and gets our kid and puts our kid in bed with the other kid across the street

1:06:45 and we don't get a phone call from any babysitter or anything about that. - Do Tommy and Lindsay didn't really know each other or hang out or-- - Yeah, we're like, well, Andy's like, "Hey, do you wanna go watch movies with Tommy?" And that was for like, I was like, okay, fine. - Yeah, I kinda got the thing that like Lindsay are like, they were trying to show that Lindsay kind of liked Tommy 'cause Andy, like, baits her by saying, what if I can work it out, you can go watch movies with Tommy? - That's true. - Oh yeah. - They put the two kids together in bed, just like their six or eight or whatever. But I'm still like, I feel like as a parent, I would be like, I'm sorry, you put my child to bed.

1:07:17 Where? - Yeah, I would be parents. - 70s parents, man. What am I saying? - It was different back then. - That's true. I mean, it was different. - But I was just like, I feel like I would like a phone call. - What year was it, 78, right? - 78. - But to call the parents, you'd have to remember where they went. - I guess that would be five, so. - And call the restaurant and hope that they're actually still there, if they're anywhere but a restaurant, you're never gonna find them. - Right, but then the other, so the flip side of that is if you can't get a hold of a parent to say, I'm gonna take your child to a different house and put her to bed there, maybe you don't do that. - Maybe you don't do that. And maybe you wouldn't be dead if you hadn't done that.

1:07:49 Annie sucks, okay? - Let's see what we protect her. - Annie is a terrible friend and babysitter and you know, well, she's dead so well. - And also, so I just looked it up. So it's a Tuesday night in 1978. Halloween was on Tuesday, it's 'cause they had school. So the parents are going, I still don't understand what the fuck the parents do in this town, where they all go out on Halloween. Apparently, it's been going on since the '60s. - Well, this is the '70s, Brian. And remember, back in the '70s, everybody was a Satanist. So they're probably going to some sort of big panic rally.

1:08:22 - Oh, they're all at, that's why Michael had to go get the Greystone early because they're all at the cemetery doing that. - Oh, that's winning! - They're burning somebody and, you know, if they don't go, then they will get either kicked out of the cold or they will be killed themselves. - Well, really good planner. - I mean, well, he's been thinking about this for 16 years, right? - Staring at a wall. - Staring at a wall, yeah. - The '70s were weird time, man. I mean, I'm happy I was young enough that I don't really remember in 1978, but I mean, you know, everybody was a Satanist. Everybody was a Satanist, so.

1:08:53 So afterwards, Bob goes downstairs. After Bob has at least a 30-second sex section. Yeah, there was-- - I feel you like that scene, too. - There was a little bit of pumping. - I don't think it was even 30 sex. - It was just him, like, and also, he was just, like, rolling around on top of her, just grinding. Yeah, it was, it was-- - Well, I mean, we weren't watching a porno. I won't give him that. - No, that's true. - I don't know how it went down. - Why do I shoot any of it, man? I mean, it's like-- - Well, like with Brock said, it was like, you pan out and let them make their noises.

1:09:24 - Right. - And show something else. - And then you can make the assumption it's been maybe five minutes. - Maybe. - Maybe, I mean, come on, it's just-- - I will say, though, this movie, although it does have boobies in it, right? And the very beginning, it does have booby, but it's not like-- - For two minutes. - It's not, the first scene is a little bit, but like this, like they're having sex and, and it's like when Annie spills the butter and she takes her, like, real quick. I mean, you kind of get a flash, but then with who's the other friend?

1:09:55 Who's the blonde? - Linda. - Linda. - Linda. - Yeah, when you see her, like, it's kind of like, oh yeah, she's laying in bed and you're waiting and she's waiting for Bob to come back and kind of see-- - With her beer. - With her beer, yeah. - Which will help you pee. - Beer. - See, she's smart, she is avoiding the UTI. - Okay, when they pan into that room and their clothes are on the floor and then there's, like, four beer cans, it's like, so wait, wait, they drank two beers each before they got, or while they're getting undressed before they had sex. - Right. There was a, what you didn't see was the balm

1:10:26 off to the side, so they bombed 'em real fast. Then got it, then. - Well, no, what you didn't see is that they shotgun the beers. And then, right as Bob ejaculated, he vomited it all over the window. It was really, really horrible. - Sometimes I think that these movies were made by, like, - Virgin? - Well, yeah, I don't know how old John Carpenter was when he made this, but a 20-year-old nerd who didn't, like, and this is how they think all this was. It's like the same with the John Hughes, when we did some of those, it's like, this is not how parties were as teenagers.

1:10:56 Like, you obviously never went to a teenager party. Like, you obviously-- - I have the sex all the time, I know what it's like to have the sex. - I do it all the time with Cameron, yeah. - That's right. - Yeah, which makes it even creepier, 'cause you think it's older men who are directing either adults or teenagers, or combination, to do what they think is teenager stuff, and it's always about sex. - John Carpenter was 29 or 30 when he made this. - Okay, so--

1:11:27 - He's old enough to know better. - Right. - I don't know. - He was dating the producer. They might have been having the sex. - Maybe they didn't have the sex, maybe that was the problem, so. So afterwards, Bob goes downstairs to get a beer, and it's suddenly grabbed by Michael, slammed against the wall and stabbed through the chest with a chef knife, pinning him to the wall. - That's Kelly's favorite kill on this movie. - It's that, I like the imagery of it, it never would have happened, it never would have worked. - Right, right. - It was kind of cool to look at, but yeah, I mean, even if you're really nerdy, like I was, and you look at how wide Bob is,

1:11:59 how much of the knife is sticking out? Like, it never even reached the door. - But it's also against one of those old pantry, like French torture, that thing would have just fallen right off the hinges with a 180 pound man hanging on it. - Or he just would have fallen to the floor immediately. But again, it was looking for realism, we're gonna destroy all of them. - Yeah, but I mean, that, like I said, like the imagery of it was cool with Michael Stanley. - Yeah, Michael Stanley, he admires his work. - But yeah, the actual physics of it were stupid, but. - And then comes the strangest,

1:12:30 - This is the strangest fucking part of this movie, I think. - Michael then dons a sheet and Bob's glasses and goes upstairs into the bedroom with Linda. Linda, believing that it's Bob, jokes with him for a second, then gets irritated. She tries to call Lori and just says Lori picks up, Michael wraps the phone cord around Linda's neck and strangles her to death. Lori hears Linda's gasp and squeals and feeling unsettled, makes sure the kids are asleep and goes over to the Wallace residents who investigate. - So I wanna see the Michael Myers point of view movie because I wanna see him, he's looking at Bob, his work,

1:13:03 right, and he's like, I'm gonna take these glasses. All right, let me go upstairs to the Linda closet. I guess she, oh shit, do I have anything to cut some eye holes for ghosts? Hold on, 'cause I just watched Charlie Brown. I assume he saw Charlie Brown before he killed his sister, right? I think maybe it would have been out. I don't remember. - Oh yeah, I'm pretty sure. - Well, actually, I don't know about it. - I'm supposed to think this hard when you're watching a slash or whatever. But it's such a dumb, and then he has the ghost costume on over top of his other mask and all that, and then he puts the glasses on, which means he couldn't see shit.

1:13:36 There's no, he's, think about it, he's looking through a mask, through a sheet with holes in it, through someone's prescription glasses. What the fuck is he seeing? That would have been, and then you would have seen him walking downstairs, like bumping into everything. - He should have opened the door and then walked into the wall. Yeah, that would have been pretty funny. - That's what he's gonna make. - That's why he's standing there, because he has no idea what the fuck's, he thinks the sheet is talking, the bed's talking to her, it's just a blur.

1:14:08 - That's really interesting, because yeah, two things for me, one, I always thought the image of him in the sheet with the glasses was actually creepy. Yes, the logistics of making it, again, kind of dumb, but no, I just thought like him standing there was just like, okay, that's just kind of like, ugh, but maybe, maybe, Linda's laying in bed thinking, you know, why is Bob taking so long to get a beer, and decides to take care of the things physically for her that Bob obviously couldn't handle,

1:14:39 and so maybe like 15 minutes past. - So she gets herself off while he's-- - Yeah, she was masturbating the whole time. That's what I'm getting. - Well, he's doing arts and crafts too. - Yeah, pretty much, yeah. - All right, all right. - I definitely think-- - I think he put the glasses in his pocket. - I definitely think that was what was happening. - That was what was happening, but yeah. - Maybe the glasses work for scripture. They were just for show to make Bob look cool. - Oh, they came with a van, we bought that van. - Yeah, they got a, we got the free smoke glasses. - It was a buy one, it was a buy one, get one. - But I do like how when she's getting strangled

1:15:09 and Lori picks up the phone, you can tell the first Lori thinks that it's like, are you guys just letting me listen to you have sex? - Sex, yeah. - Again, great friends, if that's the first place her brain goes, like, oh, good grief. Okay, so now we're getting into-- - I could imagine, imagine if, like, yeah, my friends call me, listen to me, fuck you. - Yeah, exactly, like you're such a, you're such a lame-o, this is what it sounds like. Hey, like those are my friends, they're great. All right, so now we're getting into final girl territory here because Lori has gone across the street

1:15:39 because she doesn't know what the hell's going on. And another scene that I always thought was kind of creepy in its subtlety was the way the lights are going on and off. So she's like, I know they're there. - Yeah, yeah. - Why aren't they answering the damn phone? - Yeah, the phone thing is good too because it's, you know, you don't think about it. - Yeah. - Like, that's old school, I mean, now nobody, yeah. - Exactly, now everybody has a cell phone or something. - Right, but the fact, yeah, you have to run to a house to get the phone, yeah. - Yeah. - Or how. - I mean, I even, I made the comment

1:16:10 when I was watching, I was like, oh, remember how you're, everybody's just, like, that phone would ring and you'd have to jump up. We're so tied to our phones back then. - Wait, wait, I just got a text message, yeah. - And I'm like, oh, you're an idiot. Like, I was like, I think I was like, Jesus, no, well, yeah. Okay. - Yeah, now they follow us around. - Right, yeah, right. - But yeah, that was the, that was the other thing. I thought it was funny where it's right after Bob and Linda have sex and the phone and the house rings. And Bob's like, answer it. And Linda's like, well, I can't,

1:16:42 'cause what if it's the wallaces or the, you know, the people who own the house? And I'm like, oh, that's a really good point. Yeah, you can't just, you know, there's no caller ID. And if you pick it up, what the hell are you doing in my house? So he takes it off the hook. I had forgotten, 'cause he says that like, I'm just gonna take it off the hook and I'm thinking he's gonna unplug it. But he literally just lifts it up and puts it down. 'Cause I was like, oh, right. There's not even like, call waiting at this point. It's just, you just lift the receiver up and you've essentially killed the phone. So it's just funny to remember the old days

1:17:13 and how, how simple and stupid it all was. So, okay, so back to final girl stuff here. She enters through the patio doors and searches the house, finding it dark and empty. She goes into an upstairs bedroom where she finds her three friends mutilated corpses. Annie is sprawled on the bed, Judas tombstone in her head. - I don't understand that word. - Yeah, hold on, let me just get through the rest of this. Bob is dangling upside down in the doorway of the bathroom and Linda has been stuffed into a closet. So yeah, the, I don't know what that,

1:17:44 that's some kind of psychologist thing where it's like. - I was really free to say show if. - Oh, the show if? - When you were trying to read it, you were like. - Oh, yeah, yeah, well, I'm not the best at this. - I think it was like, the setup was. - Annie was gonna have sex with her boyfriend, did have sex with her boyfriend. Michael killed his sister, Judas, but after she had sex with her boyfriend, he killed Annie, put the head stove behind her. - So this is all about sex. - Like, symbolizing his sister. - But, but Annie wasn't having sex. - But she was going to. - But, and also it's, I'm just gonna understand,

1:18:16 could have made more sense, it was back at his house. But then there wouldn't have been a bed and all that, but still, like he just takes over this, I don't even know who, Lindsay's parents, I can't remember, oh, they say their name 'cause they're like, when they say we can't answer the phone, I can't remember what their names are. - It could be so and so, yeah, whatever. - Yeah, we can't answer, we don't, yeah. - So I don't know, that was that, that's some kind of creepy. - And how Michael, so Michael sets the whole thing up so that Lori, he knows she's gonna come over, and then he's gonna time it,

1:18:47 so that the bob swings out of the door and the door opens up to reveal-- - Odd and just that, all the time. - Linda, yeah. - Those were just cheap jump scares. - Right. - Much like Friday the 13th, I mean, hell, she goes outside, runs by a random tree and that one thing falls down. I mean, it's, yeah, the Friday the 13th just up the ante, now he's in a tree, you know? - Right. - And how the hell did, you know, we talked about, how the hell did she get him up into that tree? You know, we're talking about like a 50-year-old woman, at least it's a 20-year-old psychopath. - You know, yeah, this is all to scare you.

1:19:17 And I guess this all goes back to that famous, or at least, I think I've said this on the podcast before, the Steven Spielberg quote, where he was like, if they're thinking about that, then we're not making a good enough movie. Yeah, yeah, that's the main. You are really-- - It's gonna be like, we can go through, we can go through any harm-- - Oh yeah, yeah. - And destroy it. - Yeah. - I mean, you give me the best horror movie that has ever been made and it's gonna be really easy to just start knocking holes in it. - Yeah, but yeah, that is, it does the way they seem. - That's not true, we tried, it was called Jaws, and you didn't do it. (laughing)

1:19:49 - This Halloween does get into a camp territory, right here with the shock of the display of the body. - I mean, we can revisit Jaws and just start knocking holes in it. - All right, so anyway, we're gonna back to the plot. - Challenge accepted. - Horrified, Laurie stumbles out into the hallway in tears when Michael lunges out of the darkness and stabs her in the shoulder with a chef knife. Laurie falls off the balcony of the stairs, hurting her leg. Michael then chases the injured Laurie through the dark house into the kitchen where Laurie escapes through the kitchen doors

1:20:20 and runs back to the Doyle house. She gets into the house just before Michael gets close enough to her since Tommy and Lindsey upstairs and showers in the living room. Michael gains entry to the house, tries to attack Laurie again, only to be fatally stabbed in the neck with a knitting needle. - Not fatally. - Well, that's what, I'm just reading what it says. - Yes. - An interesting fact from the San Diego Comic-Con from 2018, there was a guy named Joseph Scott who was there

1:20:50 for a panel, I think on this movie or at least Jamie Lee Curtis was there. And he actually, they'll take questions from the crowd. He actually got up to the mic and told her that he was the victim of a break-in that was similar to this. And while he was running from the person in his home, he actually thought to himself, what would Laurie have done and was able to fight the guy off? And I actually fact checked it and it happened. - So, was he able to dodge when the people came swinging down

1:21:22 from the roof and that kind of thing? - But evidently the intruder was going after him with a knife and he was able to think his way through it from watching this movie. - Hey, whatever gets you out of the situation. - Yeah, that's pretty, that's actually really cool. I mean, it made Jamie Lee Curtis cry. She actually got down off the stage and went and hugged the guy 'cause they was Joseph Scott. - Obviously 2018, because if it happened now, if this won't. - Yeah, right, I'll just wave at you. Nicely done. - All right, so we're down to the end of the movie here guys. So Laurie then goes upstairs to console the frightened kids, but Michael suddenly appears again

1:21:53 and the kids hide in the bathroom while Laurie hides in a closet. Michael breaks through the closet doors and grabs it Laurie, but she quickly grabs a clothes hanger and jabs it into Michael's eye. Distracted, yeah. (laughs) - That one, that was painful. - Distracted and in pain, he drops his knife, prompting Laurie to grab it and plunge it into his chest. With Michael presumably dead again, Laurie sends the kids to get help, which attracts Dr. Lumis. He arrives and discovers that Michael has gotten up again. This time attempting to strangle her. Yeah, that's where he sits up. - It sits up straight.

1:22:24 I don't know how he did that. Someone's gotta be holding his legs on the other side. - I've got some serious abs, man. - Yeah, it's all he's been doing. Right, he's in prison. He works out all the time. - That's right. Just like in Cape Fear, you know. (laughs) - Loomis then shoots-- - Z-Bart Z-V, right? - Yes, it's German. - It's German. - Well, okay, German could be bad. (both laugh) - Loomis then shoots Michael six times, causing him to fall off a second story balcony to his supposed death. But seconds later, when Loomis looks over the balcony,

1:22:55 Michael's body is gone. The film ends with a montage of all the places Michael has appeared in with his heavy breathing being audible and slowly growing louder. - If they could have just left it with, he falls off the balcony. - I'm not showing you that. - I thought they did. I thought that was the opening of two. - I think it is, actually, yeah. - In my head, like, 'cause the version we watched, it was called John Carpenter's Halloween, right? They've renamed it 'cause this franchise just decided

1:23:27 to use Halloween wherever the fuck it wanted on all the sequels. 'Cause there's like three movies called Halloween now. And I thought originally, I don't know, it's made me one of those, you know, bad memory, I don't wanna say Mandela effect, but, you know, like, I thought that you saw that him on the ground like that and then two opens up and it's Loomis walking out and he looks down again and he's gone. And that's how two, 'cause two takes place right after this. - Yeah. - And I thought that's, because then it happened like that and I was like, wait a minute,

1:23:58 I don't remember them showing the body because I, yeah, I don't know, maybe I'm, I mean, I could very well be misremembering that, but. - Hold on, I'm actually watching the scene right now. So Loomis just shot him and you actually saw an outside shot of Michael falling off the balcony. - Sure. - So it's from the perspective of, like, somebody standing in the street. It's different from the first movie. So Loomis. - Are you watching too? - Yeah, Loomis has not walked over to the balcony yet.

1:24:29 Like to look out. All right, he's going out now and, oh yeah. He actually went like down the stairs and out and there's an imprint of him in the grass, but he's gone. - Yeah. - So it's essentially the same. He falls magically and doesn't die despite falling from the second story window and being shot since the picture. And a knitting needle in his neck and a hanger in his eye. - I mean, his eye hurts a little bit, but, you know. - Yeah. - That, that jumper he got from. - And he's bleeding a lot too apparently.

1:24:59 - From the mechanic is, you know, it's bulletproof apparently. - Yeah. (laughs) - Well, though Brock said he was bleeding from the gunshots 'cause Loomis just put his hand in the grass. - Yeah, there's a significant amount of blood in the grass. - See, and this is where you lose me. Like the first movie I felt like, like it was creepy. It was, you know, the movie was the opening scene with, like that was just poorly. I mean, it was well done with like the first person camera footage, which they did because they didn't have the kid.

1:25:30 And now they use that all the time in movies. But the coldness of the parents and the stabbing of the sister who's like brushing her hair naked in front of an open window. - Right. - And then like the very end here, like the middle, like I actually, I liked this way, way better than the Freddie, the Friday, the 13th. - I would argue that at the end of this movie would have been better if, you know, you can survive being poked in the eye and you don't really see where he gets stabbed necessarily. - Yeah. - You know, like if Loomis had shot him

1:26:01 and presumably hit him somewhere, but you didn't know where and that caused him to stumble back and fall, you could, yeah, you could say like, okay, he's just, he's insane. But I mean, not even a crazy person that's gonna survive six gunshots to the chest. - Right. - Unless later on in Halloween too, they find a bulletproof vest somewhere, you know, that he stole off a cop that he killed off camera. I mean, it's just, it does kind of, in a way, - Hey, well he turned super natural, yeah. - He turned super natural at that point. - Yeah. - All of the music and everything and the lighting

1:26:31 it just is the atmosphere. - And I think that's why I like this one better than the second one because although the second one is interesting 'cause it continues the story, like Michael Myers should be dead. - That's why I thought this one ended with him just on the ground like that. That's why I don't remember, I thought that's what I remember thinking, oh well, he's dead, they got him. And then they then too came out and it was like, wait, there's a second one? How the fuck does he live? And then they add that part where he's just gone and they don't even touch on it early. - Yeah. - I mean, Jason was in the lake out of the lake in space.

1:27:05 - I just found a huge flaw based on what Amanda just said and what would have happened in '68? - '63. - '63, right? Okay, '63. So she's naked in front of the window, right? In the light, brush your hair. So the teenage boy or whoever lives next door who's jerking off to that and then sees her get killed, he would come down and kill the six-year-old for fucking up his-- (laughing) - But then he'd have to admit that he was watching.

1:27:36 - No, no, no, no. - He would have to admit that he was watching and you know, maybe he's just all over for that. - His never happens. (laughing) - Well, no, see what happened was-- - But the cracker-- - Who was already-- - No, no, no, no. - No, no, no, no. - See, the six-year-old kid. - But kids back then, he had already had his like 15 seconds. He was done. - Oh, yeah. - He was in the shower cleaning up. - Two clubs and a wiggle, he was done. - He never, you know, heard getting up from having sex and walking and-- - Ah, that's what he's not touching. - That was all the time he needed. - Looking, it's a little bit different. - He takes a little bit longer, you know, so, just see some,

1:28:07 the parents are standing there like, "Michael, what'd you do?" And then, and then just teenage boy walks in. "Yeah, Michael, what the fuck did you do?" It just starts-- (laughing) - That is pretty good black and it's over. We're done, movie's done. (laughing) Bro credits. - And then just some text comes up on the screen. Skunks don't eat dogs. - No, no, no, no, no, then it goes to, Halloween three, it's Silver Shamrock's. That's where we go. We just go to that whole, let's go to that whole movie.

1:28:39 - It goes to a David Attenborough nature special. (laughing) - So yeah, the takeaway from this is again, don't have sex, it'll get you killed. And-- - What is it? - If you're gonna write a script, just do a little bit of research when it comes to skunks or whatever other animals you might have in it. - I do want to talk, what is with the obsession in these R movies? - Sexings from stuff. - Is that, yeah, is that having sex, which is what every teenage boy and other people

1:29:11 wanted to do, like why, like it's this punishment that you're gonna get murdered. Like what is this weird adult obsession that-- - The purity of the patriarchy, man. - I mean, it's supposed to have sex. - Was it really an attempt to show kids that it's dangerous? - It couldn't have because these were all-- - I don't think you, these were all horny men. - And these were all our rated movies. Kids weren't supposed to, they were like, yeah, we were sneaking to watch it. - It is a purity culture. - But it is weird. - Like that purity culture of like the seven,

1:29:42 like it, the 80s were one of the cocaine-fueled orgies, but like the 60s, it was like, you know, free love and everything, the 70s was like, we have to get back to our roots. - But then the 80s, it was back to sex kills you. - I mean-- - Do you think this was, it was all some big scheme by the Evangelicals to show the dangers of sex and-- - Wait a minute. - Wait, are you telling me the-- - You told me that the Pope did this? - The Pope did this.

1:30:12 - Wow. - Yeah, the Pope-- - Yeah, man. - The calf ones are-- - I don't know. It's just such a strange, like as a kid, I didn't think, obviously, 'cause I'm not thinking of that level, but as an adult-- - You were just on boobies. - Well, yeah, just worry about the boobies. - Honestly, maybe they just did it for that reason. Like, hey, if a teenager doesn't wanna see people murder, maybe they'll go just to see some tits. - I mean, maybe it was more like-- - Or-- - The only way to make it to where the teenagers aren't paying attention to a guy in a white mask and a mechanic suit

1:30:42 walking through your house is if you're having sex. Any other time you're gonna pay attention and see it? - Or one movie did it, and everyone else was like, maybe that's why it was-- - Yeah, it's just a form. They're all copycats, it's just a formula that worked, and like, it did here. I mean, this is the original, so, well, mostly the original, right? - I mean, if you think about some other horror movies, you think about the ones we talked about earlier, the Shining, the Exorcist. One of my favorites is one called The Changeling. There is no-- - That's the one with the wheelchair, right?

1:31:13 - Yeah, Dorsey Scott in The Haunted House in The Wheelchair. That's a creepy ass movie. Again, very subtle in the way it's done. There's not a lot of jump scares and stuff, but there's no teen sex in any of those, so. This was definitely pointed at an audience at the time. - Yeah, the teen sex thing definitely leads to the Slasher genre, right? Like, that's sub-genre of horror, yeah. - Think about the covers of those movies when you used to walk through Blockbuster. It was tits of ass and a creepy guy. - Yeah, and I mean, it even went silly. - So this one was a jack-o-lantern with a knife.

1:31:44 I'm not sure what tips you're looking at, but-- - But it's after. - It's called, it says The Night He Comes Up. Well, I guess it says comin' up, so I mean. - I meant movies that you followed after this one. If you look at the marketing for a lot of 'em, it was, you know, with half-torn outfits fleeing. - Oh, some of 'em. But you also got that in just like, - That would be the only one that I just meant like cut it. - There were just some really dumb ones, yeah. But there was that period of time

1:32:15 when the box art made a difference, because that was what you based your selection on. The video store. There were several movies that I rented that way, and then when I got them home, I was like, what is this? - God, phantasm, Jesus. - And there were some where I saw it, and the cover made me never want to rent it. I remember one in particular. There was a movie called Goolies that had this little creature coming out of the toilet. - I remember-- - And I was like, I don't wanna rent that. I have zero desire to rent that movie. - I will never be, or I'll never shit again. - It's not so much that, it's just more like, that is not appealing. There's no aspect of that cover that is appealing to me.

1:32:49 - Are you looking it up? - I'm trying, yeah. Oh, I see it, here it is. - Yeah, that's it. - I can't score. - I was like, nope, nope, nope, thank you. - Oh my God, the tagline is, "They'll get you in the end." - Yeah. (laughing) (laughing) - Oh, Lord. - That's like arachnophobia, like when the, the one guy almost gets bit on the ass when he's on the toilet. And I was like, I remember like, after watching that, I was like, I thought it's spiders were everywhere. And I was like, check it out. Like look for spiders and then, yeah.

1:33:20 - It's like the other-- - Quicksand, quicksand can under it more. You know, growing up, we thought that quicksand was a real world problem. - Right. - And it's not. - It's not. (laughing) - I've never experienced quicksand anywhere. - It's just movie, yeah. - Like one movie, one movie made it and the other ones rent, that's what it is. The teen sex and death is the 70s and 80s, what quicksand was in like the 50s. It's just, it's a locker, everybody latched on. - Getting tied to a railroad track. - Yeah, exactly. Having a, you know, sinister mustache

1:33:52 that you have to twirl the end of it, yeah. It's just, like you said, it's tropes. Oh, so I think we know where we're all gonna go on this, but just to-- - We have to do it 'cause that's the box. - Yeah, to go ahead and do it. So who wants to go first? - Oh, I think Bretton. I think our cynical ginger should go. - Right, cynical ginger, you're up. - I don't, okay. Wow. - If you don't wanna go, you can pass. - No, no, no, awesome. - Physical challenge, double dare it up. Here we go. (all laughing) I, it did not hold up.

1:34:23 It was for me tonight or today watch, it was not scary. I'm not worried about Michael Myers being in my basement. Like it's not, it's just not a thing. And it, I know these are all tropes now and all that, but like, I'd still go back to, and I think I said this on the previous episode about Friday, Thursday, just fucking run. Just run away. Like don't go explore anything. If there's, obviously if there's kids, like you wanna get everybody out, but once you're, just run, don't go, like there's, or call the cops.

1:34:55 There's nothing else to do. Don't be a fucking hero, just, you know, there's a guy wheelie and knife in your house. Like don't try to, I mean, I just don't. - But turn some fucking lights on. Actually, the other thing is, turn some fucking lights on people, even he's, in the dark all the time, just turn some fucking lights on. - Good point. - So we were watching the movie, the other, we were watching the newer one last night and Kelly asked me, as we were watching it, we're like, what would you do? And I said, well, I said, you know, my kid, the kids are here. So it's like, we'd get them out.

1:35:26 But if it was just me and you, and I heard something upstairs, and I thought it was something weird. I said, we dart, we're in the basement. I was like, we dart out this backdoor. And I said, at best, at the best case, like, I would stand in my, I live on a cul-de-sac, but it's not really, it's like a teardrop, and there's a big park out front, it's a big open field. I would take on whoever is out there, because they can't jump out from around a corner, get me. Like, don't fucking walk around your house and let them, like, get the fuck out. Like, there's no reason to stay. Nothing's worth, anyway.

1:35:58 - I remember having this conversation with you a few years ago, we were talking about something. - I think we remember this too. - It was like a haunted house situation. And I was like, no, I'm going to investigate the noise. And you were like, oh, hell no, I'm out. - It was pulled for guys. We were talking about pulled for guys. - Was it pulled for guys? - I think it was in that park. - It might have been pulled for you. - Yeah, it might have been pulled for ya, yeah. - We did that was silver. - I was like, I want to go, and brought the brass, like, what the fuck is wrong with you? - Yeah, you're not going, you're not going, get out. Like, I want to see, I want to shine light on. I want to see, like, yeah, don't put me, don't, yeah, get out in the open area where, yeah.

1:36:29 So, but I know that's how hard, I know that's what they are, but I don't know, this movie, to be honest, what the problem I have with this movie, now watch it, is that it is so slow. - Yes. - The pacing on it is really, I mean, like, there's scenes where you walk, watch Lori walk a block up the street on the sidewalk. They do that not once, not twice, but I think three times you watch her and her friends walk a sidewalk. - Yeah. - So you just need murder after murder after murder. - I'm not saying that, but in this movie, in this movie,

1:37:04 in this movie, aside from the murder in the very beginning, right? And then the off-screen kill of the mechanic, Michael doesn't do shit for an hour into it. It's only a 90 minute movie. So it's like-- - All right, you, you should not watch session nine. (all laughing) No, no, if you're going to need lots of murder and lots of-- - I don't need lots of murder, but I just need, I need the pacing of that. I mean, like, we went and saw the new, I mean, I'll go off on tangent here,

1:37:34 but we went and saw the new James Bond. It's a two hour and 40 minute movie. The pacing on it is just like, it's great for an hour and a half and then it just slows the fuck down and you're like, come on, like, move, let's move this along. We know what's going to happen. Let's just keep going. Like, I just don't understand that. Like, you got to have a, I don't know, I need the movie to just keep me engaged. If I'm-- - So it's the City of Angels. - So it's the City of Angels, Bond. So I'm like, nah, nothing is City of Angels. I don't think, I just probably knows that story, so.

1:38:04 - You should tell it. - To your lord. - I'll tell the story. So have you ever seen the movie, City of Angels? - I've never seen it. - So it's Nicholas Cage and Meg Ryan and-- - Oh, I know Trevor, I've never seen it. - And Nicholas Cage is an angel that, if I remember correctly, he somehow falls to earth. They are all in, City of Angels, that's right. They're all in LA, it's fucking hokey. I really should just try to rewatch it. Just do my own podcast where I just blast this thing.

1:38:36 It's such a fucking terrible movie. - Hey, that's an idea. Many episodes where Brad just blasts me. - Yes, sitting here, our cynical ginger just shreds everything. - Why blank blank sucks? But does it hold up short? - Oh my God. - That could be my name. - Never held up. - I'm the jolly ginger. I'm gonna use the cynical ginger. - All right, so let me just give it. So we go to the theater, it's just Steph and I, and there's probably four of the people in the theater with us.

1:39:08 There's nobody in there. And I think it's like a two hour movie. Nothing happens in that fucking movie. Like literally nothing. At one point, he asked Meg Ryan, like, "I wanna know what a pair tastes like to you." And they have a conversation. And so I'm sitting in the theater and I'm just like rocking back. I'm like so agitated, so like, I can't see. And finally, I just wanted to stand up and yell, "Fucking do something!" I don't care what it is, just do something in this movie. - He leaned over to Steph and he goes,

1:39:39 "Somebody do anything." Stuff like it. And then I knew. (laughing) - Somebody do anything. - Yeah, my recollection was somebody do something. - Somebody do something. - That's all I wanted, all I wanted. And then the best part is Nicholas Cage becomes a human again. And then he gets run over by a bus and it's our car. Our truck, he's on a bike. I think that's what happens. - And then he runs under the ocean at the end. - She gets hit. - Oh, that's right, she gets hit, which was even, yeah. Still.

1:40:09 - It's almost over in the west. - Oh, God, that fucking movie. Yeah, you wanna torture me. - Oh, yeah. - Like, grab me to a chair, make me watch that thing on repeat. - We actually bought it on default. - Flap work, Orange. - We needed to see it. - We'll prop your eyes open. - I'm like, I got to see this. - Hey, you're gonna watch "City of Angels" at half speed. It's a four-hour movie. Everybody sounds drunk. - It would probably, pacing-wise, would be the same. (laughing) - All right, so Fred didn't like Halloween.

1:40:40 - Right. - Or "City of Angels." (laughing) All right, Kelly, why don't you go next? - Basically, everything Brad said I completely agree with. So I'm just gonna go with that. But like I said, I think for me, I do not remember what, I know I saw it as a kid, but I obviously have not seen it for years and years because I vaguely, vaguely remember scenes from this movie as we were watching it. But my issue is I'm not a big slasher genre.

1:41:12 As a kid, I like them, but the older I'm getting, the more, like you said, you can rip it apart. And I do, like when I'm watching these, I'm just sitting there thinking, "Oh my God, I can't." These are just so stupid. - Doing something. - And that's, and the other piece, but the other piece, like I said, we just watched the two newest and they're just bad. And so I think I'd already jaded myself against it by watching this, and maybe I shouldn't have done that, but I just, no, it, I can't say it doesn't hold up

1:41:45 because I don't remember it, but I do not like the movie at all. - You did enjoy it. - That's fair. - But I can see where, back in its day, coming out as the first slasher, I can see where people did like it. So I do understand that. - I forgot to say it doesn't hold up to put my official name, sorry. - Yeah. - You sure? - I don't remember if I did or not. - What part of it do you think I'm nervous? All right, so Amanda, you wanna go? - I have never seen it, so I can't say whether it holds up,

1:42:15 you know, from what I remember, but-- - Get off the podcast. - I liked it. - I know, I'm out, I'm out. - You're a fraud. - I'm lying, liar, who lies. - I'm actually 20 years old. - Right. I liked it. I mean, like I watched it for what it was. It was one of the original, it was like pretty much the original slasher movie. I may be jaded somewhat, like I did some research, like not on the actual plot, but looking for my Brad facts, one of Christopher Lee's greatest regrets in his life

1:42:46 was he was actually asked to be Dr. Loomis and turned it down and he's like-- - Oh, really? You look pretty good. - I know, I think he's like Donald Pleasanton. I put-- - Yeah, he's like, he's like, I never got over not being in the first Halloween movie, that movie's perfect. It was the, was it the National Archives for United States, it's like the US Archives for movies. It was inducted into that. And so I guess maybe I was kind of looking at it through a different lens than the two of you. So when I was watching it, I was kind of like,

1:43:17 wow, this was, for an original slasher movie, it's not gratuitous, there's not blood everywhere, spears being thrown through people from the backseat of cars. - There's very little blood, actually, right? I mean, he actually did that on purpose. He wanted it to be more about atmosphere and just like that beer. - Okay. - And then knowing that he wrote it because he went to a college field trip to the St. Asylum, which I'm like, what the hell. - That like, you know, seeing that kid. - Better than elementary school, I mean.

1:43:49 - Right, right, elementary school field trip. - Why are all the kids sitting in field positions and rocking back and forth? Oh, we went to Happy Acres today. - So, knowing all those things that kind of went into this, I watched it through a completely different set of eyes than the two of you. So I liked it, like I would actually say that this is a horror movie that I would watch again. - Honestly, one of the nice things about doing this podcast is we find that we don't always agree. And there are certain movies,

1:44:19 there are some movies we all like, some movies we all hate. And there's movies like this where it's just different. We have different opinions. - What about you babe? - I liked it. Again, sort of like what Amanda said, when you put it in the context of when it came out and what's come since then. 'Cause I wouldn't say that I'm a horror movie aficionado, but I like horror movies. Especially this time of year, I like to just go out and try to find horror movies. And if you ever wanna see a really shitty horror movie,

1:44:50 go to Netflix and just randomly pick something that's out there. Nine times out of 10, you're gonna get something that is God-awful. Just not- - Don't refuse our alpha code. (all laughing) - But, I mean, they're just so, they're not scary. It's all about the gore, it's horrific acting, there's no story, it doesn't end in any particular way. Or it just, I know horror movies are hard to end anyway, but in taking all of that into account,

1:45:21 I like Halloween, I like, I do like the atmosphere, I actually like the pacing, I like that it's not fast. I like that I feel like it's a slow burn, whereas Kelly, I think he's called it a slow fizzle, which that's funny, I gotta give you that. But as I alluded to earlier in the podcast, people scare me more than things, whereas, meaning demons and shit like that. And to me, with the exception of Michael getting shot six times and running off, he's just a person and he's killing these people for seemingly no reason. Now, I think at some point they talk about how,

1:45:54 like Michael Myers is somehow related to- - They are, that's what they go to. Yeah. - Right, but they, right, it's stupid. - They fucking page and hold that in. - Exactly, but in this movie, it's random, he goes back to where he grew up. - He has a broken individual- - And he's driving around and he's scenes these girls and he's like, they're the ones. - Right, and there's no way, there's no way, the six-year-old who's been institutionalized this whole time would know that even if Lori is somehow related, there's no fucking way he would know. - That's the whole thing where if you've ever listened

1:46:26 to any true crime podcast where they interview serial killers, they're like, I drive around until like five to one. - Yeah, or criminals who were like, I just go to houses and I break into the one they don't lock the back door. You know, the randomness of Michael Myers attacks and some of the shots and the creepiness of it. And the way that stuff happens during the day, that whole trope of like, if I go outside and do stuff during the day, I'm fine, but if I go do the same things at night, granted in some instances, that's bad, but that that instantly means you're gonna die.

1:46:59 Like you said, Brad, the hedge scene. Like I just love that, just this creepy dude standing there and you know, then where'd he go? Well, that was weird. And you can kind of see Jamie Lee Curtis' character being like, am I just losing my mind here? Like am I seeing things that aren't really there? - Right, and also it's Halloween, so there could just be a dad with his mask on hanging out just trying to scare the teenage girls who are walking home from school. I mean, that could be a thing, I mean. - Yeah, it definitely has its flaws. It is not a perfect movie.

1:47:29 You know, we talked about the opening and the shitty parents and we talked about the supernatural ending and we talked about Bob, could no way could he hold up being up against that door. So Bob doesn't hold up, I'll give you that. - Bob doesn't hold up. - Bob does not hold up, yeah. - But as horror movies go and me remembering liking it as a kid. - That's what his girlfriend said, too. (both laughing) - Wait, wait, wait, wait, I gotta do it, didn't. (both laughing) - I put it in a post. - Yeah, as far as horror movies go, I'd watch it again. I mean, did it scare me?

1:47:59 It doesn't, this sort of thing doesn't really scare me anymore, but it's creepy and I like the creepy aspect of it. So yeah, I would say, I'd watch this over other. - Any Jason movie. - Well, no, but just other horror movies that you might throw up. Like, I would watch The Shining again. I would watch this. We talked about the movie The Changeling. Yeah, I have no desire to watch any Friday the 13th. - None. - You know, I just never. And maybe a Freddy Krueger or two. Sorry. - Oh, how much fun. - Spoiler, we're watching the next four Friday the 13th

1:48:30 for the podcast, though. - Uh-oh, goodies, oh, I think I'm getting a little sick. You have to do it without me. But yeah, I enjoyed it. So I think given what it is, putting it in context, I feel like it holds up. - All right. - So, there you go. - Two for two. Two, two, two, two, or two and two. Like Chuck Walery, that fucker. (laughing) - Okay, I'm sorry, what? (laughing) - You don't know, Chuck Walery, he got knocked off Twitter

1:49:01 'cause he was some crazy, Trump-er conspiracy. - Oh, okay. - But two and two, he used to do that on Love Connect, so we'll be back in two and two. That was a commercial break. - Oh, right, right. - Yeah, so. - Okay, thank you. No, no, no, that's fine. That's, I remember that. - I know, it's a random reference. I apologize to the listeners. - No, I was totally on, I was on it. I was on it. I was like, yeah. (laughing) - Go ahead and Google Chuck Walery, in case you don't know who he is. Yeah. (laughing) Oh, God. So yeah, oh, there you go, everybody's fun. - That was Halloween, that was a good one. - I enjoyed the conversation, guys, I thought that was good,

1:49:31 and I know more things about skunks now than I did going into the story. - I enjoy the smoking of the weed. - The more you know. - Dig it, you dig it, baby. - Dig it, I dig it. - The weed and the sex will lead you to the path to murder. (laughing) Oh, weird sound. Yeah, all right, well, good time. So, yeah, this will get this out in October, right? - Maybe. - Production, man. - Production. - What's today's date? Where are we at here? - 16th. - 16th. - We've got, yeah, I'll try to get it out. Yeah, maybe I'll get it out on Halloween.

1:50:02 - Oh, that was hilarious. - Spooky. - Spooky, spooky. Ooh, so clever, Brad, so clever. (laughing) - That's why we paid you the big bucks. (laughing) All right, bye everybody. - Bye, bye everybody. - Bye, bye everybody. - Bye. - Bye.